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> How Gender Affects Gameplay, Are girls as bloodthirsty?
Does having a female in your group radically change gameplay?
Does having a female in your group radically change gameplay?
Yes. Those girls won't let me shoot anyone. [ 6 ] ** [7.32%]
Yes. Women take no prisoners. Ever. [ 19 ] ** [23.17%]
No, same as with an all guy group. [ 42 ] ** [51.22%]
Girls play shadowrun? [ 15 ] ** [18.29%]
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Shanshu Freeman
post Nov 2 2004, 09:27 PM
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post Nov 2 2004, 09:33 PM
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I've been lucky to have the same gaming group for almost 8 years now and we've always had just one female in our group. I love her to death, but she's always the most pacifistic character in any game. On one hand, she picks up on more of the emotional content of our games, however this same quirk normally stays her hand when a snap action combat response is necessary. As the eternal GM for our group, its fine by me... the group does their fair share of rolling their eyes though.
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post Nov 2 2004, 09:53 PM
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Article plug!

It's about women and roleplaying. Someone posted this a while back, and I had found it pretty interesting. Seems like the appropriate thread to bring it back up.
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post Nov 2 2004, 10:08 PM
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I hate that article so much.

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post Nov 2 2004, 10:39 PM
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So....women taste like pheonix? I didn't realize pheonix was so salty....





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Most women, from the earliest ages, have one or two close companions with whom they share every part of their lives. This is so basic it can be hard for women to understand how men live without it. However, male players often forget to include a best friend when writing a female character's history. Even the most well-fleshed-out, interesting, distinct female characters can feel flat or wrong if they have been written with no understanding of the friends who helped shape them.


This is from the above article.

Quick check here. Is that actually true? Do all women have a secret super special friend that me being male cannot possibly hope to understand? Or is that just a load of bunk, as I suspect it is?




EDIT NUMBER 2:

I had a crappy afternoon today, and I was feeling kind of unhappy and morose, but as I read through the article linked above, something was able to make me burst out laughing....

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DO NOT RAPE THEIR CHARACTER.


Ohhh-kaaay. Um, what groups have *you* been playing in?

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Another friend of ours describes a game that "I was lucky to get out of when I did." On the night after she left, the party got arrested by the city watch. After throwing the PCs into separate cells, the male gamemaster had the guards rape every female character. The women left in tears and never returned to roleplaying, while, as our friend described incredulously, "the GM never understood what he did wrong."


I guess the recurring Shadowrun joke, Huggy The Troll, is off limits.
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post Nov 2 2004, 10:57 PM
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perhaps in some games, huggy might be off limits. course, huggy just wants a friend. will you be huggy's friend? :silly:
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post Nov 2 2004, 10:59 PM
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....which is what makes him all the more terrifying. :eek:




:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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post Nov 2 2004, 11:02 PM
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Actually, here's a quirk to throw at people. I know males tend to play male chars, but I know several significant cases of males playing female chars.

Now all the female RPers I know play female chars...does anyone know if any female RPer plays or played a male char?
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Wounded Ronin
post Nov 2 2004, 11:07 PM
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I have never had a female player run a male character but I have had plenty of male characters running female chars.


This is the thing though. Male players are a lot more common and usually they only make female chars after playing for a while. So it's possible that female players not making male chars has more to do with their relative rareness than anything else.
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post Nov 2 2004, 11:17 PM
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I've had a female players play several male characters.
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post Nov 2 2004, 11:23 PM
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I don't know I think it depends on what kind of chicks you play with? Most "normal" girls I know IE my wife was pretty mundane wouldn't touch a roleplaying game if you paid them. Gaming has a certain stigma especially girls. I think then that girls that do play tend to be of the same social variety or category that guys are but there tend to be less because of the "stigma". I don't know too many prom queens who are gamers but I'm sure there out there. I think out of high school during college you get the same crowd and new folks. I think girls in college and out would be the most open. I know there have been some really scarey chicks as a few conventions I've been to. It's a wide range though as a whole. Most of my experience has been that there's been little or no difference and they just sort of fit in.

In high school in the early 90's I set up a gamers guild at my high school and we had girls who played. Two maybe three. I ran a game that "Aubrey*" played in. (For aubrey see www.somethingpositive.net for more information.) She handled herself well as a 9 foot tall troll. Although she did play the Elf Queen in the "Hobbit: The musical". I still ras her when after I graduated we hung out at her friends house and we drank, while a gamer friend of mine hit on her. (That had to be the funniest damn thing I've ever seen.) My first girlfriend was a gamer I met at a convention in Dallas. (She was uhhh a tad older at the time.) I gamed with her a few times and she was pretty normal. Maybe repressed girls tend to "break out" when gaming. Most of the girls I was friends with could hardly be categorized as "repressed".
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post Nov 2 2004, 11:24 PM
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Oh, here's another gem from that article:

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Roleplaying games allow people to act out fantasies in a forum where, as the ads and magazines say, "the only limit is your imagination." So think long and hard about what you and your imagination want. Killing another person's character primarily signifies "beating" them at the game, not a real desire to commit murder. Roleplaying rape means one thing, and can be legally prosecutable harassment.

Imagine how you would feel if every time a player mentioned killing your character, you knew they were wearing a gun.



Uh.....

Wow. What a WEIRD thing to say.

If someone wanted to kill me they could kill me unarmed. Chokes? Neckbreakers? Vehicular homicide? Hello?

So, does this mean that whenever someone kills my character I have to be afraid of them if they own a car? Because, you know...they might run me over with the car, since their real goal is to kill me.
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post Nov 2 2004, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin)
I have never had a female player run a male character but I have had plenty of male characters running female chars.


This is the thing though. Male players are a lot more common and usually they only make female chars after playing for a while. So it's possible that female players not making male chars has more to do with their relative rareness than anything else.

*is a female that plays male characters*

Actually, when I started playing, my characters were exclisivly male. Now I've been getting more into female characters. Still don't know why I have a tendency for male chars...perhaps trying to get as far from reality as possible. Or trying to create the ideal man. :)
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post Nov 2 2004, 11:39 PM
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Well, with the *males* (myself included) who have created and run female characters I think that there is often some element of wish fulfillment.


It can be kind of hard to find women who are combative. I've known a few in the context of judo and kickboxing clubs who were tough and wild enough to go full contact with everyone else. But by and large a lot of women aren't really into the whole physically aggressive sports thing even though they really should due to higher pain tolerance. One woman recently told me, "Girls don't think in terms of judo moves." Even though women tend to be very accurate with firearms in many cases there will be more men than women in a firearms class. If members of the general public sign up for a martial arts class but it turns out to be a pretty serious hand to hand combat class that deals with things like head throws and limb breaking there's usually a high dropout rate due to squeamishness and in many cases the female dropout rate is even higher than the male dropout rate. I blame Barbie for all that wasted potential.


But in the context of Shadowrun you can create a woman who is cooler than usual because she has Assault Rifles 6 (12).
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post Nov 2 2004, 11:40 PM
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Yeah...my characters tend more towards finess when it comes to combat than brute strenght.
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post Nov 3 2004, 04:24 AM
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The comment on rape seems to have two purposes.
1) Educating a community that sometimes lacks common sense.

Yeah, I know huge generalization. I realize many gamers have common sense, and know what to say and what not to say and how to avoid major social faux paus such as raping a female character. But many, especially teen boys, don't quite get it. I teach at a middle school. Believe me, they don't get anything we assume to be known.

2)Some studies show that as many as 1 out of 4 women are sexually assaulted in some way ( this ranges from a grope to rape).

Now I don't know about other women, but I am a relatively new gamer, and I still identify with my character a ton. So, if someone rapes my character, I'd feel threatened.

All in all a very good article.
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post Nov 3 2004, 04:54 AM
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I'm male, but I've been groped in a gross and scary way! I was at a seedy bar picking up a 40 and some crazy old woman hugged me and kissed the back of my neck. It was pretty disturbing, to tell the truth. Unwelcome kissing counts as groping, right? I feel this makes me special because while the issue of women being molested in some way gets the most attention you hardly ever hear about when it affects males.

In any case, maybe it's just because I'm jaded or perverted or something, but if someone molested one of my RPG characters I think that I'd just burst out laughing or something.

I mean, it dosen't bother me if my character is brutally killed or horribly wounded. So why should anything else bother me?

In a recent game I GMed, a player was put in a position where if he answered a riddle wrong his character's soul would be ripped out and imprisoned forever. But he kept cool, thought about it, and answered it right. Didn't seem to bother him. And that kind of thing is, well, would be a really horrible thing if it really happened to someone.
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post Nov 3 2004, 06:00 AM
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am male, hae been raped, and have since used the concept as a story plot element in games... sometimes the grimy side of a setting needs to be shown
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post Nov 3 2004, 06:11 AM
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I honestly could not believe that Do Not Rape Their Character got its own entry. That just defies all fucking reason.

Now, it's one thing to involve rape and other forms of extraordinary inhumanity in a game or any other media. That's disturbing, but with purpose, it isn't gratuitous. Rape for entertainment, on the other hand, is just astoundingly sick and disturbing. If a fellow player decided to rape my character, he or she'd better hope it serves the narrative or someone's going to be learning how to walk again.
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QUOTE (Arethusa)
If a fellow player decided to rape my character, he or she'd better hope it serves the narrative or someone's going to be learning how to walk again.

Just make the offender watch the movie Irreversible.
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post Nov 3 2004, 06:26 AM
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I know a couple of people who 'really like' that movie, and especially that scene ... a little too much!
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post Nov 3 2004, 06:32 AM
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Damn. That's pretty sick.
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post Nov 3 2004, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE (Lenice Hawk)
Hmm, well I'm not goth, and my husband says I'm not psycho all the time, so it must be the crazy.
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that's because they feel kinship with elves, since both races have a +1 CHA mod.


Does this take into account whether they've shaved legs and pits recently? Bc that should definitely be a Neg. Cha mod.

But on a serious note, I know why I chose to Not play an "ugly" race. Many women have a hard time with their looks as it is. Why go play something in a fantasy where your uglier? Probably explains the high proportion of females who play elves.

Do you have any idea how much trouble I had trying to stop my girlfriend shaving her legs? Silky smooth for a few hours and then scratchy for a week, and due to the colour of her hair you couldn’t even see the hair unless you where actually looking.

As to raping characters I have seen more overt violent sexual acts committed by female players than male. But like I said, in my experience female players tend to take an extreme.

I have indeed seen female players play male characters. Considering the smaller number of female players it is just as common as male players with female characters.

Personally I would never platy a well adjusted female character because I don’t understand how females think. I was proved well correct when I told a female gamer this and she took it as an insult. I still don’t understand why.

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Edward, you are so right on the money there. Also the girl I was seeing a couple of weeks before Edward hooked up with the girl in question, had the albino equivalent of the night one facial fur. it was only noticable if your eyes were within an inch and a half of her face, and at any other distance seriously ADDED to her attractiveness. so the shaving thing is not as universally adored by men as some think
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QUOTE (Edward)
Personally I would never platy a well adjusted female character because I don’t understand how females think. I was proved well correct when I told a female gamer this and she took it as an insult. I still don’t understand why.


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Chicks are psycho. Every last damn one of 'em.

It's a well-established fact.
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