 The Outcast (from ED), questions |
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 Nov 10 2004, 05:58 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 232 Joined: 19-October 04 Member No.: 6,773  |
Just a few quick questions. Is there any hint in any shadowrun books that the Outcast or his Immortal Dragon humans might have survived the down cycle? Or if he died before then does anyone know the book?
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Nov 10 2004, 06:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 11-December 02 From: The other end of your computer screen Member No.: 3,724 |
Ancient, you have the floor.
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Nov 10 2004, 12:41 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 90 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In the shadows of the SK Arcology Essen, ADL Member No.: 1,934 |
Hmm Black Lodge anyone?
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Nov 10 2004, 03:34 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
There has been no overt hint of the Denairastas clan or Denairastas himself, as far as I am aware. Certainly he and some of his descendants may still be extant, as neither they or he have yet been described as destroyed.
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Nov 10 2004, 03:34 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Just who is behind the Human Nation? Who were those wacky downcycle Hunters? Whom has Sirrug been chomping on?
Unfortunately, I have only questions... |
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Nov 10 2004, 05:32 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Whomever he wants to. |
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Nov 10 2004, 06:12 PM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
:eek: :rotfl: :eek: |
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Nov 10 2004, 11:25 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Hhmm, I wonder which dragon it was that busted out of an underground Draco-prison a while back in Poland with the help of a powerful magician friend on the outside... :)
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Nov 11 2004, 12:04 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I asked and was told Calozerca didn't match Outcast in size or color. |
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Nov 11 2004, 12:09 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Well, the Outcast would have been larger, and I believe his scales are golden. No, Lofwyr is not the Outcast.
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Nov 11 2004, 12:12 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 232 Joined: 19-October 04 Member No.: 6,773 |
What ED book has stuff about him in it? The only one I have is the Dragons book.
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Nov 11 2004, 12:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 172 Joined: 16-September 04 From: UK Member No.: 6,671 |
Out of interest are there any other possible ancient things kicking around ignoring Dragons, Elves and Horrors?
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Nov 11 2004, 12:55 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Yes. But we'll ignore Totems, Insect Spirits, and the Corrupted Spider for now. Might as well put free spirits and ally spirits to the side. The most important, ancient things still kicking is lore, myth, and the lure of power. A little vague there, I know, but then consider the situation in Egypt where the appearance of god like beings might be some manifestation of ancient things. There are caverns in the Outback filled with spirit prisons, and when on considers the genie in the bottle legends and the 2060 Jinn the connections come quickly. |
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Nov 11 2004, 01:12 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 172 Joined: 16-September 04 From: UK Member No.: 6,671 |
Well I was more after gritty real mortal (well killable) types.
But on your point I wounder why the media and scientists arent try to dig up anything they can on previous ages like the forth world as all the stories, lore and fairy tales are to blatent pointing to past awakenings. |
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Nov 11 2004, 01:40 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
You're asking for something that has survived the last 5000 years that is killable? I'd point to those trapped spirits, really. After all, not all of them need be guilty and to be imprisoned for 5,000 years for a crime you didn't commit is pretty gritty. Or even for crimes you did commit. But here's a possibility, what if one such spirit used the hidden life power on a mortal just before it was imprisoned? You'd have an immortal human with drastically reduced powers, IMO, which would make only his knowledge and immunity to normal weapons (pathogens and age) as a barrier to death. That also brings up ghosts and spectors chained to the physical plane.
They are. Quite a few sourcebooks mention the Alantean Foundation, which does exactly that and has been known to steal works from university digs (meaning scientists and the like). Not to mention all the old artifacts being poured over by the DIMR and museums the globe over. |
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Nov 11 2004, 04:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,785 |
I guess I'm not the only one who thought about the Holders of Trust when I heard about the Black Lodge. But then, I've only known what the Black Lodge was for a week... |
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Nov 11 2004, 08:52 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 3-November 04 Member No.: 6,804 |
What about the Lightbearers organization? - Illuminati anyone?
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Nov 11 2004, 11:11 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Less illuminati, more Mystic Crusaders.
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Nov 11 2004, 11:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 403 Joined: 27-August 02 From: Scotland Member No.: 3,175 |
What's the Corrupted Spider?
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Nov 11 2004, 11:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Check out the Invae page on my site.
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Nov 11 2004, 11:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 403 Joined: 27-August 02 From: Scotland Member No.: 3,175 |
Ah, interesting. I knew about Invae from ED, but had never heard anything about the Spider Totem. I take it that's covered in one of the SR books?
Edit: Vvvt. It's in MitS! and Grimoir. Okay, and where is its release covered? This post has been edited by Zeel De Mort: Nov 11 2004, 11:27 PM |
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Nov 12 2004, 06:37 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Actually, a case can (and should) be made that Spider of the second GGD fame is not the same entity as Spider the Totem. The former is more like a Free Spirit of immence power.
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Nov 12 2004, 06:54 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
There are some who believe that totems are free spirits of immense power. A look at insect spirits supports that belief.
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Nov 12 2004, 07:14 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
There are also some who believe that they're just psychotic delusions of primitive barbarians too irational to accept the science of magic. The fact that they can work magic just as well, if not better, without having to wear feathers in their hair or shake rattles as they dance seems to support that belief, too. :D
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Nov 12 2004, 08:24 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I am neither endorsing nor condemning that theory. I am merely pointing out the very real possibility of a distinction between two entities that share the title of Spider. |
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