IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

2 Pages V   1 2 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Character Background, Is this a little excessive?
Shadowrunner13
post Nov 12 2004, 06:59 PM
Post #1


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 361
Joined: 26-February 02
From: Oshawa, ON
Member No.: 163



I wrote up a nice character background for a new character (the main difference with many of my mundane characters is background and details), but I've had a couple people tell me that it is a bit excessive for a character background.

If people here on DSF have some free time to read some fan fiction, could you read my piece, give me an honest impression of the work and point out its faults? That would be greatly appreciated.

My corner of FanFiction.Net

The story is called "Path of the Ronin" (A little cliched, I realise...)

If you're one of the few who read it on the Shadowrun Writer's Forum, then no worries. Thanks for taking the time to read my drivel. :)

SR13
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
GaiasWrath8
post Nov 12 2004, 08:22 PM
Post #2


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 392
Joined: 18-October 04
From: Tujunga, CA
Member No.: 6,768



Dood!!! You Rock!!!!

That was a really great peace of work. If I was your GM I would give you extra starting Karma for that. :)

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Toptomcat
post Nov 12 2004, 08:30 PM
Post #3


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 626
Joined: 1-March 04
Member No.: 6,112



It's never excessive if it's well-written and amusing, which this is.
Wonderful!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Lindt
post Nov 12 2004, 08:39 PM
Post #4


Man In The Machine
*****

Group: Dumpshocked
Posts: 2,264
Joined: 26-February 02
From: I-495 S
Member No.: 1,105



Not cheesy at all, and 9 out of 10 for correctness and coolness.
Its pretty hard to be excessive anyhow.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Dashifen
post Nov 12 2004, 08:56 PM
Post #5


Technomancer
********

Group: Retired Admins
Posts: 4,638
Joined: 2-October 02
From: Champaign, IL
Member No.: 3,374



It's wonderfun :)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Shadowrunner13
post Nov 12 2004, 09:16 PM
Post #6


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 361
Joined: 26-February 02
From: Oshawa, ON
Member No.: 163



QUOTE (Lindt)
Not cheesy at all, and 9 out of 10 for correctness and coolness.
Its pretty hard to be excessive anyhow.

That's what I thought, but I've actually had more than one reader email me and tell me that a story of this size was too much.

"As a GM I wouldn't want to wade through all this to find a good plot hook for a run."

But, that's why I tried to make it an enjoyable read... so it doesn't feel like you're wading through it at all. There should be plenty of material in there for inventive GM's.

I never got a reply when I emailed them back. I inquired as to whether, as their group's GM, they just wanted their background in terms of point form notes, or what...

As my group's primary GM, I prefer my players to get to know their characters before they ever develop their first attribute. Not necessarily writing stuff like "Path of the Ronin" (the other story on FanFiction, "Rebirth of a Soldier" is the background story for another character in our group... he developed a storyboard, I wrote it), but I want them to know who their character is, rather than what they can do.

I guess there are still a few GM's out there who run their games by the mechanics, not by the story beyond it...

C'est la vie, I suppose. :)

SR13
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Conskill
post Nov 12 2004, 11:20 PM
Post #7


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 153
Joined: 7-November 04
Member No.: 6,811



To be honest, I'm one of those who'd consider that a little too long.

I love plothooks to toy with my players, but I learned the hard way (over my first campaign) that by indulging in a well written character too much turns it from an ensemble to a main character and some extras. I'd simply never be able to use that many pages of material while keeping the balance between the characters there.

I certainly wouldn't mind the format, however. My favorite characters' backgrounds are usually written monolouges.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Shockwave_IIc
post Nov 12 2004, 11:36 PM
Post #8


Shooting Target
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1,512
Joined: 16-August 03
From: Northampton
Member No.: 5,499



A very good read, but as Conskill has said, perhaps a little long.

I wouldn't mind a background like that for one of my Pc's, I just wouldn't want every character you gave me to have that length of back ground.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
GaiasWrath8
post Nov 12 2004, 11:48 PM
Post #9


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 392
Joined: 18-October 04
From: Tujunga, CA
Member No.: 6,768



I thought it was great. And I would love for one of ONE of my players to write something like that. If all 5 of them did it...I might kill myself. LOL

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Kagetenshi
post Nov 13 2004, 06:14 AM
Post #10


Manus Celer Dei
**********

Group: Dumpshocked
Posts: 17,008
Joined: 30-December 02
From: Boston
Member No.: 3,802



About to read it, but to put it in perspective: the writeup for my first character was a total of 43 pages long, all told.

I doubt this will be "too much" as far as I'm concerned.

~J
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Glyph
post Nov 13 2004, 06:50 AM
Post #11


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 7,116
Joined: 26-February 02
Member No.: 1,449



If you enjoyed writing it and your GM enjoyed reading it, it wasn't too long. The only problem with long backgrounds is that in Shadowrun, the character you spent days creating can die in the first ambush during the first gaming session.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Conskill
post Nov 13 2004, 07:32 AM
Post #12


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 153
Joined: 7-November 04
Member No.: 6,811



For my comparison, my favorite SR character (a decker named Rat) is six pages of narrative + contact description. That's also my second longest ever.

Second largest SR background (an urban shaman teetering on the edge of going Toxic) is three pages of monolouge + contacts.

Longest ever was for a Mage game that never actually got off the ground. Twelve pages down the drain.

If I'm playing with a GM I know and trust, I tend to go fairly minimalist / only define the broad strokes and then get into detail after a run or two. I don't have a talent for predicting the right mood and tone for a background and personality until I've taken it out for a spin.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Edward
post Nov 13 2004, 07:45 AM
Post #13


Neophyte Runner
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,073
Joined: 23-August 04
Member No.: 6,587



If you handed this to me as the first session was about to start I would wince. Far to long unless your going to give me a week to read it.

If you give the GM time to read it (or accept it won’t be considered during the first session) it is great.

Edward
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Eddy_Munster
post Nov 13 2004, 08:56 AM
Post #14


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 8
Joined: 26-February 02
From: C.F.S.
Member No.: 403



Heya SR13 :) Long time no see.

I took a chance and read it, and I must say I like it a lot.

As for length, I personally think its fine as long as I had a chance to read it ahead of time. Otherwise I would let you know I wouldn't have time at the first session :)

All in all I agree that this is the kind of background I wish my players would hand in. My last character had 9 pages typed of background including the 20 questions and a short story on him. So I kind of can agree with the way you did this.


Very good job. If you run him, do some in character stories on your runs. Like a journal. You will one day look back at it and marvel at it.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Fortune
post Nov 13 2004, 11:49 AM
Post #15


Immoral Elf
**********

Group: Members
Posts: 15,247
Joined: 29-March 02
From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat
Member No.: 2,486



I'll add my agreement that it is very well done, and not too long if the GM is given the chance to read it beforehand. :)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Kagetenshi
post Nov 13 2004, 03:33 PM
Post #16


Manus Celer Dei
**********

Group: Dumpshocked
Posts: 17,008
Joined: 30-December 02
From: Boston
Member No.: 3,802



:eek:

You don't sharpen a katana!!!

Also, the Renraku Arcology shuts down the end of December 2058, so you may want to consider making reference to it. It would probably have a similar magnitude of effect on the Red Samurai to the effect of the NYC World Trade Center destruction had on the US police/military.

~J
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Glyph
post Nov 13 2004, 09:39 PM
Post #17


Great Dragon
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 7,116
Joined: 26-February 02
Member No.: 1,449



Actually, he did make a reference to the Arcology shutdown near the end of the story.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Kagetenshi
post Nov 13 2004, 09:41 PM
Post #18


Manus Celer Dei
**********

Group: Dumpshocked
Posts: 17,008
Joined: 30-December 02
From: Boston
Member No.: 3,802



He did. IIRC it's still shut down when he makes it, too. Either way, the initial shutdown should be having an effect even back in Japan.

~J
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Toptomcat
post Nov 13 2004, 09:43 PM
Post #19


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 626
Joined: 1-March 04
Member No.: 6,112



I think you CAN sharpen a katana- it just requires a specialized process, and not just using a grindstone.
If my memory is bad on this, someone let me know.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Kagetenshi
post Nov 13 2004, 10:17 PM
Post #20


Manus Celer Dei
**********

Group: Dumpshocked
Posts: 17,008
Joined: 30-December 02
From: Boston
Member No.: 3,802



You can polish and buff it, which will to a certain degree increase the sharpness of a sword after use. You cannot take a katana that has been forged or has become dull and grind an edge onto it when one does not exist without ruining the sword. A lot of the moderately effective sharpening techniques currently cost about as much as a typical (good) katana.

~J
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Shadowrunner13
post Nov 14 2004, 05:17 AM
Post #21


Moving Target
**

Group: Members
Posts: 361
Joined: 26-February 02
From: Oshawa, ON
Member No.: 163



Eddy_Munster - it has been a while, hasn't it? That ghost ship run you helped me develop some time ago (that was you, right?) is still one of my groups favourites that I've run...

Kagetenshi - Good to know. I'm not totally up on my sword knowledge... I'll be sure to make that revision in my final draft. I'll also do some extra homework on the Arcology... this kind of thing happens when you write a character background without any books handy.

The one player in my group that would GM Tenmou has read the character background and has no problems with him, so in that regard I guess whether the story is excessive or not, is null and void. I enjoyed writing it, and if I could get past my blasted writer's block, I might write another one... :)

SR13
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Arethusa
post Nov 14 2004, 06:02 AM
Post #22


Runner
******

Group: Members
Posts: 2,901
Joined: 19-June 03
Member No.: 4,775



You can sharpen a katana. This is 'sharpen' in its broadest usage, in that Kagetenshi is not entirely incorrect: due to the very unique forging process, a katana cannot be sharpened as one can simply sharpen a knife or a sword forged as your average western style weapon/tool is. But it is not correct to simply say that they just cannot be sharpened. If you're really interested in the process, there are sites you can google or sites dedicated to nihonto with people you can email for information.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Ol' Scratch
post Nov 14 2004, 06:06 AM
Post #23


Immortal Elf
**********

Group: Validating
Posts: 7,999
Joined: 26-February 02
Member No.: 1,890



Keep in mind that when most people say "sharpen" they mean "hone." Honing is just a matter of straightening the existing edge which has simply been bent out of alignment through normal wear and tear, whereas sharpening requires chewing away bits of metal and (hopefully) strengthening the entire new edge that was completely eroded. That's why you "ruin" a folded katana... it's sharpness doesn't come from traditional sharping, but the art of folding the metal repeatedly.

If you want to see a demonstration of why that ruins the blade, grab like ten pieces of paper and fold them in half. Assume the fold is the katana's edge. Now take a pair of scissors and cut the edge, representing you sharpining it... and watch what happens to that edge you used to have.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
GrinderTheTroll
post Nov 14 2004, 06:59 PM
Post #24


Shooting Target
****

Group: Members
Posts: 1,754
Joined: 9-July 04
From: Modesto, CA
Member No.: 6,465



QUOTE (Shadowrunner13)
I wrote up a nice character background for a new character (the main difference with many of my mundane characters is background and details), but I've had a couple people tell me that it is a bit excessive for a character background.

If people here on DSF have some free time to read some fan fiction, could you read my piece, give me an honest impression of the work and point out its faults? That would be greatly appreciated.

My corner of FanFiction.Net

The story is called "Path of the Ronin" (A little cliched, I realise...)

If you're one of the few who read it on the Shadowrun Writer's Forum, then no worries. Thanks for taking the time to read my drivel. :)

SR13

In my game, as long as you don't expect to gain some free benefits from history or background (that being things you can't justify at chargen or talking to the GM) then I say go for it.

Nicely done and I'd say worth a few roleplay karma points. ;)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Joe Outside
post Nov 14 2004, 08:40 PM
Post #25


Target
*

Group: Members
Posts: 56
Joined: 24-July 04
Member No.: 6,512



QUOTE (GaiasWrath8)
I thought it was great. And I would love for one of ONE of my players to write something like that. If all 5 of them did it...I might kill myself. LOL

I would love to have all of my players give me something like this, personally.

But then again I'm a speed reader. :D
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

2 Pages V   1 2 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 3rd May 2025 - 07:29 PM

Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.