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But super-heavy calibers for Assault Cannons and MGs must exist for trolls...maybe something even a troll would need a gyroscopic compensator for.
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Nov 13 2004, 09:19 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
why? trolls are a vast minority. i can see something as relatively common and inexpensive as handguns being marketed for them, albeit on a relatively tiny scale, but expensive toys like rifles and assault cannon? i think not.
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Nov 13 2004, 09:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 1-March 04 Member No.: 6,112 |
Many reasons.
It would carry muchos prestige for a company/gunsmith to sell the biggest, baddest gun on the market. It would become an instant collector's item. People will search for any edge in combat, particularly militaries. A troll with plenty of cash could have a gunsmith make one for him. Large-caliber weapons carry massive intimidation value. It would make a handy complement to heavily-cybered individuals' abilities, and at a fraction of the cost of the actual implants. I could go on... |
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Nov 13 2004, 09:42 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
I think the U.S. Army sniper corps would disagree about the one shot, one kill thing.
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Nov 13 2004, 09:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 1-March 04 Member No.: 6,112 |
First of all, it's 'corps.'
Second of all, the MARINE sniper creed is 'one shot, one kill.' Third, many snipers take a shot for windage first. |
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Nov 13 2004, 09:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 11-December 02 From: The other end of your computer screen Member No.: 3,724 |
Allright.
Can we all stop with the "Their aren't enough Trolls out there who can buy it" thing? Who cares! We, the players, want it. The amount of players who play as a Troll is a hell of a lot higher % than the population of Trolls that can afford it according to SR statistics, so that argument is completely scrap-pointless. Point-in-case: The Katana. Riiiiight. There's a REAL high demand for BATTLE READY (not trophy hanging) katana's in the world. But you know what? There sure as hell is amongst the players! Further in that respect, panzer cannons on comercial sale? um...uh huh...cause they're all out there outside of military use in bulk. No, but we sure as hell are happy that they are! Anyways. Troll pistols are the only things that need to be added. Rifles and all others are simply just like they are right now. The big guns. "But what if I want a Troll sniper rifle?" Get a .50cal, spec it for the Troll, slap a scope on it, and modify it for single shot. Vuala! a Troll sniper rifle! "Shotgun?" Grab a grenade launcher, spec it for a Troll. That was easy. "But what if I want a Troll .3006 hunting rifle?" Look, to a Troll that's like saying that I want a .22 hunting rifle in a gun fight. That .3006 is a handgun caliber basically to a Troll. Don't insult them with that request for rifling. They're worth much more in power than that. |
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Nov 13 2004, 09:59 PM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
Excuse me Mr. Fancy pants. I wasn't in the marines, but I was in the army. And they most certainly said 'One shot, One kill' regardless of who came up with it. And none of the snipers I ever heard of alerted their targets by firing there weapons just to see where the wind was blowing. They had other techniques to do that. |
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Nov 13 2004, 10:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 1-March 04 Member No.: 6,112 |
Didn't mean to come off as arrogant, sorry if I did.
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Nov 13 2004, 10:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 11-December 02 From: The other end of your computer screen Member No.: 3,724 |
I am IN the army.
One shot, One kill IS one of our mottos Make no mistake though, that is not a creed. Creeds are not catchy phrases like that to help you shoot better. The other standing motto in rifling is: 40 rounds, 40 kills. Saying the marines are THE ones who say One shot One kill is like saying that the army says Hurah! no probs there Toptomcat. -edit-btw, I think I fixed your martial art in the other thread there Toptomcat. |
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Nov 13 2004, 10:34 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
...and that's basically what I was saying. It happens, but you can't count on it.
By "a .50cal", I assume you mean the M2HB? Why bother when there are guns like this, which are more accurate, lighter, cheaper and easier to get at, modify and conceal?
What if they want to, you know, actually hunt animals? Other than juggies, that is. You're going to be wasting an awful lot of meat by hunting deer with a .50 BMG firing expanding ammunition. Yeah, keeping the size difference in mind, a 7.62x51mm or a .30-06 is basically like a 5.7x28mm is for a human. But, much like most would opt for a .40S&W over the 5.7x28mm in a RL "self-defense" handgun, I'd much rather take a .500S&W revolver than one in .30-06 if I were a troll. And if the troll-me could pick between a massive (by human standards) battle rifle firing .338 Winchester Magnum that felt like an M16 does to humans, or a HMG that feels more like an M60 does to humans, I'd absolutely pick the .338. If BFTGs in general are a bit iffy, then heavy weaponry specially designed for trolls are just stupid. If you personally don't care, and I'm not saying you should, go right ahead. Allow them to shoot a Victory AC with a gyromount if you wish. I've ranted about trolls' inability to actually withstand hits from even human-standard firearms often enough before, I guess I don't need to get into that again. |
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Nov 13 2004, 10:46 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
about avarages, they just say that the total of bullets in x amount of people, divided by that amount of people came out as seven. it could be 100 in one person and 2 in another (to put it on a edge).
as for 1 shot, 1 kill. it can be done. towards a stationary target. with wind and distance compensated for. and aiming for either head, heart or the higher part of the spinal colom (to cut of the nerves that control the heart and lungs). most other wounds you can survive. you may be out of the fight but you will survive. with the right medical care that is... and most handgun use is in a state of semi panic. unless your a longtime war veteran or similary used to be attacked (this is something you cant realy train for). most other people will point in the general direction and only stop fireing when the target drops or one runs out of bullets. |
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Nov 13 2004, 10:54 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
stumps, i'd have to disagree. "we" don't want any such thing, as evidenced by the fact that whenever the idea comes up, it gets shot down.
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Nov 13 2004, 11:00 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
You don't need to hit the higher part of the spinal column, most parts of the spine will work fine. Blowing a big hole in the spine will instantly drop a human or any other mammal. If you can produce a decent-sized cavity, the head, the neck, and anything extending down from there to at least around your navel in a strip about as wide as your neck, are all spots that are very likely to produce a death within a rather short time period. Damage to the lower spine might be survivable, even if it takes you out instantly, but if the wound cavity extends in a straight line from the front to the spine, it will also take out the aorta (or the heart, or one of the arteries between the aorta and the brains), killing the target pretty darn fast. Still, that doesn't increase the target area that allows for quick, reliable kills by a whole lot. You're basically right. This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Nov 13 2004, 11:07 PM |
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Nov 13 2004, 11:02 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Also, I think the players' enthusiasm would quickly wane once all the troll gangers start carrying automatic shotguns that do 20D, -1/meter. |
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Nov 14 2004, 12:17 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
the term "fine red mist" comes to mind...
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Nov 14 2004, 04:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 485 Joined: 25-October 04 Member No.: 6,789 |
To tell the absolute truth you can one shot kill hitting nothing more that the palm of a hand, the fleshy part of the shoulder, the foot, or any other noessential area. Shock can happen with very minor wounds and can incapacitate then kill a person in short order.
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Nov 14 2004, 04:20 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
And by the same token you can perform a one-hit kill with a piece of relatively stiff paper. Admittedly it involves waiting for gangrene to set in and reliance on them not having access to sanitary conditions or medical treatment…
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Nov 14 2004, 04:37 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Clearly, paper is not realistically lethal in SR. I demand the rules be fixed.
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Nov 14 2004, 04:40 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
You would. :P
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Nov 14 2004, 06:15 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
i know its known to happen, but if you want to do it reliably (and if your doing sniper duty then thats what your after) you will aim for a known vital area of the person. basicly when shit like that happens its equal to stageing to D and the other guy failing to stage it back down. |
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Nov 14 2004, 06:19 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Isn't that usually how it goes for a one-shot kill? :) If you staged it up to Deadly purely on your skill test alone, you did hit a vital area.. no question about that. Now if it came from various situational things, like the target having a Low Tolerance to Pain (does anyone ever take that?) and a Body so low that he Rule-of-Oned his Damage Resistance Test, and you only scored one success on your skill test... that would probably mean you hit a worthless spot on your target and he just died from the shock of how incredibly lame he was. Same could probably be said if you only scored one net success after the target's Dodge Test but utterly failed his Damage Resistance Tests against your FA burst or something, too. I dunno. In any case, it's going to be pretty rare. |
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Nov 14 2004, 06:22 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Interesting thing about Low Pain Tolerance: by a strict reading, an unwounded person should be taking +1 to all TNs.
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Nov 14 2004, 07:47 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
OC, the low pain tolerance excuse shoudl like a great IC reason to get a pain editor.
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The Sewer Jockey Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 857 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Kent, United Kingdom Member No.: 1,197 |
It's a moot point guys! Because somewhere on the internet there is, floating about in some horrendous gunboy page, the TROLLSTOPPER!
Yes ladies and gentlemen, it's a 3-shot revolver. Yes ladies and gentlemen, it's chambered for ASSAULT CANNON ROUNDS. What more do you want? *snigger* |
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Nov 15 2004, 01:29 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Dwarf portable gattling heavy railguns. |
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