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 Nov 26 2004, 07:41 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 850  |
New Info Trumps Old, so, I'd be inclined to follow the Shadows version over the Neo-Anarchist. Easy to say that the old system of direct Democracy didn't apply to the presidential election or that it *used* to, but there waw fear of a 'fix' akin to the UCAS one, so, they switched back.
You can always invent a rationale. :) -- Johnny Reb |
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Nov 26 2004, 04:42 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
If that's true, it very much comes across as retro-fitting to me, especially since I don't believe that the information on Alachia's daughter was out at the time (I'd have to check release dates to be sure; I certainly knew nothing about it, and I was playing ED at the time). The implication from the text in Tir and Harlequin's comment on it seemed to specifically connect the portrait and Ni'Fairra. If it later tured out that the portrait was of Ni'Fairra's mother, well, winners write the history books ;) |
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Nov 26 2004, 04:56 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Did you actually check the page I linked? Ancient History has done a good job of correlating all the relevant info from both Shadowrun and Earthdawn sources.
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Nov 26 2004, 05:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
I did check it, in fact. I noticed some interesting points, certainly.
These are interesting in terms of the portrait described in Tir Tairngire.
This presumably is the bit you're referring to. Unfortunately, I can't find where AH sourced that information from. If it's there, could you quote the relevant bit? I must be going blind :( I still maintain that at the time of publication the portrait and Ni'Fairra were both intended to be Alachia. That latter publications may or may not have changed that is another matter :) |
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Nov 26 2004, 06:02 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 850 |
Of course, here it should be noted that Alachia's also got history as replacing herself as her own daughter, so who knows?
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Nov 26 2004, 07:12 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
You'll find a complete list of reference material at the bottom of the page. It takes some wading through, but Jenna (and Alachia) are mentioned in numerous places including Novels like (but not limited to) Nosferatu(?) and Worlds Without End. |
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Nov 26 2004, 08:46 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i'm with Crimsondude on this. the UCAS is, taken as a voting whole, batshit crazy. i mean, come on, they voted a friggin' dragon president, only forty-odd years after dragons were introduced to the world! we (the US) have had twice that amount of time to elect a female human to the presidency, and we still haven't managed it.
and, yet, despite the fact that the UCAS elected a dragon for president, there's still fairly deep race issues (as supposedly highlighted by SURGE). what this says to me is, there's no more middle. you're either rabidly pro-metahuman rights, ready to kill anyone who thinks otherwise, or you're rabidly anti-meta, ready to kill etcetera. given the number of strong political parties in Super Tuesday, this trend towards rabid politics probably extends to a number of other issues. meanwhile, the CAS has sanity. they're neither rabidly pro-meta or anti-meta. they lack a strong SF program, which indicates that they're more interested in defense than offense. they haven't allowed any single mega to dominate their economy. they are, as much as anyplace in T6W is, calm and peaceful and sane. |
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Nov 26 2004, 08:57 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Well, not really. Not after SoE and Sweden. |
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Nov 26 2004, 09:15 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Actually, I like that idea for the UCAS.
For the CAS, though: calm, peaceful, and sane? Psht. Just take a look at their machinations to try to bite off North Virginia from the UCAS. They're as batshit as anyone else, IMO, and I'm surprised the UCAS didn't bomb them back into the industrial revolution for that. ~J |
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Nov 26 2004, 09:24 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
The main reason the CAS seems calm, peaceful, and sane on the surface (and only on the surface) is because they're largely ignored by the various storylines. The more correct take on them is that they're simply forgettable and a mere shadow beneath the UCAS. Even the NAN gets more press than they do. All of which just irks them off to no end.
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Nov 26 2004, 09:48 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Ferrets? Although I'll gladly grant you the more defensive posture, also backed up by Rigger 3 saying they maintain a more brown water navy and leave to global gallivanting and heavy aircraft carriers to the UCAS. |
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Nov 26 2004, 10:23 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
they lack a strong SF program. they've got the Ferrets, sure, but they don't come anywhere near the top of the list of best specops groups, even if you only count national commands.
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Nov 27 2004, 12:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 424 Joined: 11-May 02 From: Marauding the mighty North Saskatchewan Member No.: 2,720 |
There's plenty of good stuff about the CAS in Target: Smuggler's Havens and if I remember there's a few AA corp that operate out of New Orleans: an Petrochemical one and an entertainment one I can't remember the names off hand. Cross BioTech is also operated out of NO too if I remember.
The biggest business for runners in the CAS seems to be running guns south to the Yucatan which the CAS turns a blind eye to since anyone who's going to stick it to the Azzies can't be all bad. Tha CAS has a taken more isolationist foreign policy if I remember as well. |
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Nov 27 2004, 12:53 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I was always under the opposite assumption, though it might only be because of this site. They may not get talked about a lot (again, because the CAS is largely ignored), but that doesn't mean they're not one of the best. Truth be told, they may be one of the best because no one talks about them -- as in they get in and out without anyone having a clue they were there or who they were. |
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Nov 27 2004, 01:23 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
On a side note, what do we actually know about special forces in the sixth world? I know that there's quite a few mentioned, but it's a little hard to make qualatitive statements from them from what I remember. Someone was saying in a thread a while back, either Tzeentch or Raygun I believe it was, that doesn't the CAS inherit just about the whole special forces structure in regards to bases and facilities?
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Nov 27 2004, 01:43 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Just like in real life, the bestest special operations unit/command is the one whose website you last ran into. That's a rather nice site though, with delightfully large amounts of IC text. One weird bit, though: The RL 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta numbers around 200 men, and ranks among the highest respected SpecOps units in the world. Suddenly there's Ferrets, which only takes the best of the Delta, and they number 460? I guess requirements have dropped significantly. |
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Nov 27 2004, 01:45 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
FlakJacket: Do you mean this?
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Nov 27 2004, 02:57 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Yeah, that looks like it.
Speaking of special forces, what canon ones have been mentioned in the past, after their being brought up I've been trying to think of them? The CAS has the Ferrets, the Sioux the Wildcats, UK has the SAS and SBS, Tir Tairngire the Ghosts, Tir Na n'Og the Reach Fuileach, Aztlan the various warrior groups, Aztechnology its Leopold Guards and Renraku the Red Samurai. |
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Nov 27 2004, 02:59 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Ares (Knight Errant) Firewatch.
The Seals have been mentioned as being associated with the UCAS. Spetznaz has been mentioned, IIRC. Amazonia has something ... I just don't remember what at the moment ... maybe I'm just thinking of the whole Awakened Army thing. |
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Nov 27 2004, 03:07 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I don't know how much of this is accurate, but a lot of them look familiar. It's from the same site as the Ferrets info above. I also know there's been quite a few corporate groups not in the list.
Carribean League * Carribean League Tigersharks Confederated American States * CAS 1st Special Forces Combat Applications Group * CAS Special Operations Command * CSMC Ferrets Corporate * Knight-Errant Firewatch * Saeder-Krupp Special Security Group Native American Nations * Pueblo Corporate Council Special Forces * Sioux Wildcats Russia * Russian Spetsnaz Unit "Vympel" * Spetznaz Tir Tairngire * Tir Tairngire Peace Force Special Forces-"Ghosts" * Tir Tairngire 1st Airborne Brigade: The Parabats United Canadian American States * USMC Scout/Snipers |
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Nov 27 2004, 03:20 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
About half or so of that's canon. One's like the Tigersharks don't really mesh all that well since it seems to be a kind of federal police when the Carrib League isn't even federated if you follow me. The Sharks, first two CAS entries, SK and Pueblo, Vampyl, Parabats and Scout Snipers are all un-official as far as I know. Although I could be wrong.
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Nov 27 2004, 03:57 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
To jump in I think the UCAS is in fact the true child of the USA.
The CAS has ther largest standing army because it has an almost hostile border with the Azzies and a tension with the other NAN and even UCAS on ocxcasion, they are pugnatious. It might be fun to say it's true democaracy but what it is, is the old Confedercy. Not The Civil war one, but the one that preceeded the current consittuion where it's pretty much designed to do nothing and so keep government out of people's hair. They don't have a domestic AAA corp so have to hope to draw the attnetion of one. Heavy insdustry is not there now in RL so they would have to be building that from the ground up or import. |
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Nov 27 2004, 04:12 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Of course you can pretty much justify the SR existence of just about any special operations unit (perhaps slightly renamed) that exists today, when the government/policies of or the geographic area covered by the country haven't completely changed. You can find a pretty good list of RL foreign national special operations units here.
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Nov 27 2004, 05:23 AM
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The Tigersharks page was created back in the mid-90s when there was absolutely no canon information on the Carib League.
The same can be said for the following units: UCAS Navy SEALs, CAS Special Forces, Russian Spetsnaz, and CAS Delta. Personally, and as much as it pains me to admit, Szeto's description of the Ferrets in SoNA makes more sense in the context of their description in Just Compensation than that article does. Anyway, we can discuss SF all day long--and over the last six years we have, a lot--but we should move it to a new thread. |
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Nov 27 2004, 05:43 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The description of the Seals may be non-canon, but there has been mention of their existance in the books.
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