How do you move your guns? Options

[Snow_Fox]

I thought of this today, most runners have holster for their hand guns, and a few rifles break down to cases, but do you give any htought to packing smgs and assault rifles or do you just toss 'em in the trunk of your car between runs? Rifle rack in the truck?

How do you store guns at home? toss them in a closet or under a pillow?

[Sandoval Smith]

Easily found secret compartment in the bedroom closet for the guns you and ammo you can own with a permit.

Hard to find secret compartment behind the toilet for all the really special goodies that you don't want your friends from LS playing with if they drop by unexpectedly.

[Wounded Ronin]

I saw an episode of COPS where a car that is stopped happens to have gang members and an AK in it. The AK was funny because it had little kindergarten stars stuck on it.

So the moral is put your assault rifles in a car and put stickers on them.

[Mercer]

There was a thing in Maxim or GQ a few years ago about an art exhibit where the artist had bought replica weapons and painted them in bizarre ways: Hot pink, zebra stripes, glitter paint, and so on. I cut it out because it was too perfect as an SR graphic.

As for moving guns, I've always shied away from the secret compartments and cut-out foam Fendi cases, and so on. Come to think of it, I think I have something on this in my character history which if I dig for it... (hours of searching later)...

[Shrapnel]

I kinda like your style, Mercer. Keep it simple. Duffel bags, backpacks, suitcases, briefcases, etc... Gun safes are kinda hard to pack in a hurry...

I don't know if it's off topic, but how many of you actually plan out in detail where you CARRY all of your different weapons. Types and locations of holsters, spare mags, etc...

Anybody ever have to try to explain to players why the character trying to pack heavy ordnance, such as HMGs or Assault Cannons, on bikes tend to get so much attention? Just curious...

[Nikoli]

Was always partial to Leon's tacklebox in The Professional

[draco aardvark]

Most of my characters don't have many guns (if any). So I keep 'em on me at almost all times. Pistols and many SMG's are easy enough to conceal. I always figure that if LoneStar is raiding my apartment, it will not matter - I'm either in custody or never going back there, so any guns are hidden somewhere stupid, like under the bed, or in a sock drawer.

Now one interesting way of concealing illegal substances was demonstrated by an NPC of mine (made with standard character generation rules!). He worked at the post office, and lived in a bunker out in the woods. Within said bunker were quite a few poor-looking sculptures (replica of David, etc) ... 5 cubic meters of sculptures... nice C4 sculptures all riged up with wires running under the carpet. C'mon LoneStar, bring in the bomb squad, I dare you!

[Arethusa]

[Shrapnel]

I agree with planning everything out in detail. Shoulder, hip, and ankle holster all have different advantages and disadvantages.

For instance, in my opinion, you don't get any bonuses for a lined coat with an ankle holster. Or, what happens to your shoulder holster when you take your armor jacket off?

Now, what about ammo? A person can only carry so much ammo on them at a time. With a decent tac-vest, a person can carry 6-12 loaded rifle mags at one time, as well as 3-6 pistol mags, and sometimes a pistol. Gets pretty bulky, though, and can be hard to hide, even under a jacket. Now when it comes to hiding an assault rifle under a jacket, I think the movie HEAT is probably the best example of that.

I've had players complain about the attention to detail in my games, but I want it to be at least somewhat realistic. If you can explain it to me in a way that makes sense, I'll probably allow it.

Now, where am I gonna hide that Assault Cannon on my Harley...

[Crusher Bob]

I would assume you could dis-assemble the cannon, put the parts in your 'saddlebags' and put the barrel in long 'document tube' strapped to the side. If the barrel is too long, you can try some lengths of PVC pipe wrapped in Home Depot tape.

Assuming that the receiver of the cannon breaks down into a front half and back half, it would probably fit in the big 'saddle bags'.

[KillaJ]

If I'm packing anything heavier than a pistol it's usually a SMG, in which case it stays in a pizza delivery bag. It's not terribly inventive but it does the trick when you have to make that special delivery.

[Crusher Bob]

Come to think of it, I don;t think I've ever had to do a run where there as much of an intermediate stage between 'covered transportation' (to the site) and 'overt carry' when we needed more that everyday carry stuff.

For 'bulk moving' of guns, I'd back them in moving boxes with labels like 'Kitchen - Pots and Pans' of 'Garage - Tools', so anyone looking at them 'expects' them to contain heavy metallic objects (i.e. explains any noises, etc). Another option (if you have more than a couple boxes of guns) is to 'dress up' as a delivery company.

OC if you get stopped with a truck full of guns, you are probably screwed anyway. The above options are for where you need to carry the guns apartment stairs

[Voran]

[Stumps]

It depends on what my character is.

I don't make characters to be a continual effort to pull of the perfect crime.

Each character has a different style of MO.

I have had some like Mercer's.
If it doesn't fit in my dufflebag for me to take with me, then it isn't mine.
I never stay in the same place more than a week. After each job I move to a new place. Before each job I check out of my old place.
During the job my belongings ,. which are few, stay in a vehicle or somewhere I'm going to pick them up from.

I've had characters who run larger groups malitias. Then I have set-ups for the smuggling of the weapons. Paper trails that lead to movement of non-illegal items but that are actually moving our gear.
A false SIN and a U-haul is a great friend for me in this mode.

Other characters are gangers turned runner. I don't have much planning in my placement of my weapons with them. They keep them in their place. They hide them to the best of their ability.
If anyone really wanted to look, they could find them. It wouldn't be real hard.
Look in the closet in the cut-away space in the ceiling, look in the toilet back flusher lid. You'll find my Pred III taped to the inside of that toilet lid. Look on the underside of my matress. You'll find an SMG.
Things like that.

I've had characters that aren't meant to last long. They are purely out for an exact revenge against someone. Then I only have a couple of weapons and all my belongings are still where I used to live.
I have a SIN. I care not for my troubles or consequences of my actions to myself.
I am not out to get away with anything. I am only existing to make one man pay and nothing will stop me from that. My death will not happen until they die.
I keep my weapons on myself and I don't care who see's them. I move with a furrious speed and without rationality. I am their death in a swift rage.
I will die. This I know. So I care not for who knows my purpose. The more the man I am after knows that I am comming, the sooner that I can end his life.
I will show you my weapon without care. If you see it, then so will he.

So in the end...it depends on who I am.

[toturi]

Now that I've got SOTA 2064. Dipomatic Immunity. So I've got a Panther ASSault Cannon, so what officer? Illegal possession? The said weapon was mounted on my APC with diplomatic tags, baby.

[Critias]

That doesn't mean they won't report it, flag you as a potential troublemaker, follow you around, and wait for you to slip up -- or check on that diplomatic immunity you're waving around like a Get Out of Jail Free Card. A phone call or two can reveal that you're a fake, or get you in trouble back home if it's legit ("He's walking around carrying a what?").

[Snow_Fox]

More than that, even if it's legit there are two problems.

a) great, we can't arrest you, but the state dept has declared you personna non-grata, you have 24 hours to get out of the ocuntry or you will be arrested as a spy.

b) A seriously torqued of corp cop or over the edge Lone Star officer might not care. Ever see Leathal Weapon 2?
Joss Aukland, having just shot Mel Gibson : "Diplomatic immuinity!"

Danny Glover aiming a gun at him: BANG! "Just been revoked."

[Snow_Fox]

what personally set me off on this was yesterday while having a revolver repaired, I was looking at all the toys in a gun shop complete with clothes for hunters, and cases for bows and rifles. I had the thought that none of the cases would fit my Brown Bess musket, but would work for the length of AK-47's on sale, but not with the magazine on. the Ingram on sale in the case would probably fit the case for my revolver, but I'd have to be careful and keep the mag elsewhere. If you were just to toss these in the trunk of your car, sure it's convenient and there would be no reason at a traffic stop for an officer to look in the trunk, but they'd clatter around and might get banged up by other things in the trunk.


In our group we're always careful to detail where we keep handguns on our person- hi/shoulder/ankle holster etc. but it really is up to each player if they want to be that detailed in our home-those who aren't are just asking for trouble from the GM. leagal guns get detailed- beside table draw? other stuff we go into details about how they're hidden. With bigger stuff at a 2nd location held in another name- Sure You can search my place with your warrent mr detective.
or
"Sarge, we found a .50 cal MG in the guest room"
"And the guy who rants this pad?"
"No record of him anywhere else"

[Siege]

I try to keep a moderate level of realism when I try to outfit my characters so I can justify what gear I'm carrying and where.

I've also found that by noting what gear you carry where, you can give your mates a detailed list of what's still available to them when all they can recover are body parts.

Player 1: "Damnit, the medic just bought it! Quick, someone get the medkit!"

GM: "Well, you think that's his chest in the corner...one leg from the thigh down is near you and a seriously mangled helmet just stopped rolling."

Player 1: "Um, I grab the half of his torso nearest me!"

Me: "Sorry, it was strapped to my thigh - left leg."

Player 2: "Alright, I got the ... right thigh - anyone seen the matching piece?"

-Siege

[jezryaldar]

We also enforce realism levels. Once the players start getting out of control, I start subtracking from quickness and combat pool.

And I had a player who grab a downed bike (still functional) to follow someone who was escaping. He slung his heavily modified assualt rifle over his shoulder and started to take off. Lucky for him, the other members of his team pointed out that he didnt know exactly where the folks he was going to follow were going, and carrying that assualt rifle was probably a good way to get arrested....

My players usually take the extra guns and give them to gang / underworld contacts as gifts. ***GM side note, now that they have armed up one gang WAY beyond the others in the area, things are about to get interesting....

[lodestar]

One character I had was inventive enough he had a street sweeper shotgun concealed as an exaust pipe on his bike - an Idea I got from an actual false container you could get for streetbikes that looked like a muffler.

One should keep in mind that real devious hiding spots for guns if you're worried about the Star bustin down your door is probably pointless for most heavy-duty teams will probably have a mage who knows a detect bullets spell. If they're bustin down your door for whatever reason you'd better have already moved.

Hiding spots for guns at home are really just to keep the honest people from stealing them, or kids finding them - remember any real determined thief probably thinks like you do and will find it.

Of note, another character I had (The infamous Ivan) always carried a duffle bag around to collect guns in his idea of making his own retirement fund selling off guns. They all got stored nice and neat in packing crates waiting for the big sell of and retiring. Many a sec guard was punched out and had to explain to his boss how he lost his gun. Last count he had collected 6 HK-227, 3 AK-97, 2 Spike Launchers, 18 Predators, 13 Max Powers, 12 shotguns of various makes, 3 Ruger Thunderbolts, and a variety of other light pistols...

[Snow_Fox]

Our level of realism is sort of enforced. Our playing group includes hunters,an ex-soldier, and several of us own hand guns. All of us have a level of expertese in martial arts, Several of us are experience mountaineers, have done lots of camping, one is a software designer, several of us work in corporate america, one in construction, one in Insurance investigations, one is married to a police detective.

[Lindt]

I had one PC that had 10 low llifestyles, each having a cheep pistol and a cheep rifle. Not the most efficent, but there will always be somewhere to get a gun, some food, and a mostly dry place to sleep.

[bitrunner]

had a player once that made a character called "The Caddy"...that's right, dressed in golf clothes and walked around with a golf bag. Security guards usually just needed a 3-wood, but for those "difficult courses", the bag could hold an assault rifle or broken down LMG...

the other players kept joking that he needed a bag like the one in Caddyshack...

[mfb]

my character keeps 'em all in the unregistered van he keeps in long-term parking.