Intiate Grades ... who's the big gun?, Oddball, but. Options

[lorthazar]

First of all we did the killing in the middle of the duel in the Harlequin campaign. No hunting, no nothing we just opened fire becuase we were tired of being pawns. Not something I persoanlly would do, but hey I personally don't have wired refelxes 3 and Firearms 16 either.

Second, It's my assumption that the GM ruled that the two IE's had sent proxies of sorts.

Third, the mount games of cat and mouse were merely that. All three sides trying to prove they were supperior. All in all 14 high karma runners is equal to an IE but not two, but try to get Harlequin and Ehran to work together.

Finally, it's not that our DM was friendly it was that he suffered form the ability to roll all 1's and 2's when it came to trying to kill PC's. If he wasn't trying there wouldn't be a single die less than 4 it was funny as hell.

[Bigity]

You don't have to defend your game, just don't expect everyone to accept it as reasonable or "average".

Also, I would like to point out the total laughability of proclaiming your supposed genius-level IQ on an internet forum.

[lorthazar]

Well, I was just telling you what I got. Personally I could care less about the number. I could also care less about what 99% of you guys think about anything. I was merely clarifying for those people who fail to wrap the minds around the fact that the game is supposed to be fun.

[mfb]

someone can check this for me, but i don't believe a weapon with a power lower than the barrier's actual rating can degrade the rating. your weapon's power has to at least equal the barrier rating in order for any degradation to occur; below that, the attack simply bounces off.

[lorthazar]

If the power of the attack is equal to more than half of the effective barrier rating (2x normal in the case of bullets) it takes a 1 reduction in barrier rating.

p.124 SR 3rd Ed

now for the lovely part both APDS and Explosive rounds half the Barrier rating when it comes to damaging them.

So a Ares Predator firing Ex Explosive ammo can start chiping away and a barrier of 10 with ease


finally BF an FA work normally :D

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

[lorthazar]

Hey, I wasn't the GM. He must have thought that being knocked down by the grenedes and having over a hundred projectiles to deal with was too much for even them.

[mfb]

barrier 10, okay. but, like i said, if you really stat out an IE the way it would make the most sense to stat them after tens of millennia of running around, that barrier spell should probably be 20+. probably much, much +. and the reason why is that there are people who will attempt to do just what your group did. if you've got tens of thousands of years to prepare for any eventuality, i'm pretty sure that "super duper ninja squad with high-powered automatic weapons and also grenades" is going to be pretty high on the list of things to make sure you're prepared for.

though, of course, as GM, i might be tempted to have one or both of them cast an illusion that suggested the super duper ninja squad had actually killed them both.

[Deadeye]

Just out of curiosity, how does one realistically and with any measure of control, plot, role playing, ect. GM for a group of 14? For that matter, where the hell do you all sit?

Just passing through.

[lorthazar]

Well maybe and maybe not. A 20+ barrier would show up to shamans and remember this was 2nd edition. Which means you'd need a personal barrier for blasts, personal barrier for bullets, a personal barrier for... well you get the picture

Now imagine multiple FA weapons firing rounds that treat barriers like tissue paper. grenades is a small area, an Ares MPIII laser, and a Missile launcher firing AVR's. Sorry but i don't care if you are Lowfyr, your gonna be in trouble.

[lorthazar]

[kevyn668]

[lorthazar]

To tell the truth I'm not sure they didn't and leave behind simulacrums. I was a mere player. It did make for a very exciting two years of game play as the games went back and forth. I think our GM wasn't happy with what he thought was a limited ending. He hated being given tools and nothing to do with them. Through the 2 years Harlequins attmepts at revenge were humorous and ultimately worked for the betterment of an area at the expense of the players. Ehrans attempts helped his cuases in similiar ways again at our expense. our attempts ussually ended as spectacular failures that still netted us some profit by seeming chance.

[mfb]

no, there's a regular personal barrier spell in 2nd ed. the bullet barrier / blast barrier / petunia barrier spells in the Grim reference it. also, i'm pretty sure they had masking in 2nd ed as well.

[BitBasher]

[lorthazar]

Maybe nothing you can do about it, but I tend to think more proactively.

Besides it's not the GM's job to kill the PC's if you are among this thinking please do the world a favor and give up GMing. What fun is it to have your character keep dying even when they are acting smart?

[BitBasher]

[lorthazar]

Which may have been his point with bring back the IE's or knowing him the way I do why he encouraged us to fire on them. Our characters while not having the easy life were not sweating too heavily when breaking into Aztechnology or Ares. Even with revved up opposition we were pulling off runs easily. However we like the social intereactions with our runners and were heavily invested in their lives. This might have been his way of bring some interest to the game. After the two years we started our Bug and Toxic Wars. Then the year of the cyberzombies. It was a blast.

[Critias]

[lorthazar]

Becuase if we saved the world, we would have to save people like you.

I'm sorry you have to get your kicks insulting other people. Especially people who had done nothing to you. Of course, that is not going to help your real problem.

[Critias]

Sorry, just pointing out the lack of logic behind your claims. I mean, it's one thing to claim your make believe people did horrible things to some other make believe people. That's a game. Your GM can run it however he wants, you can brag about it as much as you want, and other people can point out the holes in your version as much as they want. It's why we're all here.

But, well, when you start trying to throw your imaginary weight around rattling off a well-nigh superhuman list of (imaginary?) names and (imaginary?) IQ's to try and browbeat people into agreeing with your internet forum opinion, I think we're allowed to poke a little fun, bud. Chill.

Go back and reread a few of your posts, understand the irony of the incomplete sentences, lack of the spell-check button being used, etc, etc, all in the same paragraph you claim to be a supergenius surrounded by others of your inhuman kind.

It really is funny, and it's the sort of attention you've brought upon yourself.

[mfb]

come on, lorthazar. you can't expect to make a claim like that on an online forum and not get laughed at. even if it's true, no one's going to believe you, because there are tens of thousands of people making the same claim falsely. same goes, honestly, for having 400-karma characters kill IEs, though for different reasons. in the vast majority of SR games, that's so impossible as to be laughable. so, we're laughing.

[Halabis]

Ah, but therein lies the problem of anounching your IQ to the world. WHen it is so abnormaly high as to be unbelievable, it can easily be seen as an insult to the intelegence of everyone else.

Even if it is true, stating it publicly still accomplishes nothing other than make others feel inferior, and thus insulted. So by other's perceptions, you started the insulting.

This is why IQ should be kept to yourself.

and incase yer curious, and because everyone else is waving their metaphorical brain penis around, My IQ is in the 99.9~percentile too, although I do have to struggle with a bitching case of ADD, lowering my applied IQ to the low genius (~149) range. =P This is on the WAIS-III.


Now that we've all waved our mental peni' around,and no one belives anyone else, lets get back to IE's


Isnt Alachia the oldest of the current living IE's? I think i remember reading that somewhere, with Aina coming in next, and Harly Ehran and Lugh being next in age range.

[lorthazar]

I don't mind the question of the campaign. Hell, I have questions. The point is it was done. As impossible as being killed by a 5mph baseball. Oh wait, that has happened, too. So what if you think it is impossible. None of these beings existed except in our imagination. So in yours they are unkillable. In mine they are quite easily killed if surprised or tricked.

What I mind is the continuing insults to my friends. You can bash me all you want. Keep sniping at them and you prove yourself a coward and a fool rather than just a fool.


My claims of my IQ were in no way meant to be an insult to anyone. Nor to make others feel inferior. Just an explanation of why I might think differently.

[mfb]

yes, we're all fools because we don't believe someone's claims, made on an online forum, to genioushood. what dummies we are.