 Mind Probe Vs. Spell Formulas |
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 Dec 1 2004, 08:24 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 19-September 04 From: Charleston, IL Member No.: 6,676  |
Is it possible for a mage to Mind Rape I mean Probe another mage and get a spell formula? I know that formulas are complex works, but for a shaman it could be a painting or numerous other works. The Mind Probe could feasibly give you the knowledge and understanding from the work if enough successes were generated while probing. (just look deep enough for the unconscious mages interpretations). I know this could be pushing the limits, but is it possible and if so, how would you go about it?
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Dec 1 2004, 08:27 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Nah, at best they'd make for a good (and free) tutor when learning the spell. That's about it. If it were as simple as reaching into a magician's mind, then that would definitely be covered as one of the possibilities.
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Dec 1 2004, 06:47 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
I wouldn't allow something like that. Maybe some single piece of information or something they could explain in a conversation. I am thinking spell formulae (any tradition) are complex enough that you learn them (much like training for a skill) and is more than just simple memorization.
Allowing something like this would set a presendence for "spell sharing" that I think would be more troublesome that it's worth. |
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Dec 1 2004, 06:54 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
I'd say yes but the prober still has to spend the karma and the time and gets penalities for sustaining a spell. If the probe is ended before the spell is fully learned, then he has to start over again.
I see nothing wrong with spell sharing. It is already possible. One mage a teach a spell formula to another or simple write it down and give it away. It would be fairly easy for a mage with to make dozens of electronic copies of his spell formula and give them to all of his friends. The time and karma cost for learning a new spell balance this. |
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Dec 1 2004, 06:58 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
Interesting. I've never considered what gets done with "used" spell formulae. I suppose you could try and re-sell it, although anything over Force 3 is illegal, what's ever stopped Shadowrunners from that little obstacle.
I still don't like the idea of folks getting something for free though. |
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Dec 1 2004, 07:12 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Can you use telepathy on a programmer and memorize the last 10,000 lines of code he scripted? First, I really doubt you could memorize something as complicated as a spell formula from a quick brain scan. Second, I doubt the mage has every finite detail of the spell formula memorized. Third, the mage probably fills in the blanks by using his Sorcery skill when called upon to roll out that formula. You can't Mind Probe for details the mage doesn't have memorized.
A complicated painting. Can you remember every detail of the Mona Lisa (far from a complicated painting) without looking at the picture?
Read the mage's brain, spend the normal spell learning period trying to figure out what you saw, spend the normal karma learning the spell, and make the normal learning rolls. If you flub the roll, go get the formula or mind probe another mage's brain. |
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Dec 1 2004, 07:38 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Why bother? You can reverse engineer a spell just by watching someone cast it while you percieve the spell. Without the felony Mind Prove involved.
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Dec 1 2004, 07:49 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Because consentual mutual mind probing helps strengthing the bonds of your initatory
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Dec 1 2004, 07:54 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Gee, that sounds a lot like my initiation into the Saturn |
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Dec 1 2004, 08:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 606 Joined: 17-December 03 Member No.: 5,909 |
Interesting.................Where do I sign? |
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Dec 1 2004, 08:45 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
At a dealership near you:
http://www.saturn.com/comp/dealer_locator/....jhtml?nav=4100 You, too, can join the Saturn |
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