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It's effected by mana based illusion spells, but not necessarily visual ones. In other words, Silence and related sound dampening spells would work against Cyber Eyes.
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Dec 10 2004, 12:23 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Which of course doesn't matter since mana spells effect the mind, not the eyes. And what you posted, it doesn't say "invisibility" so it could simply mean Phantasm or Mask. |
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Dec 10 2004, 12:34 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Or silence for that matter.
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Dec 10 2004, 12:58 AM
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Catsnightmare: that is not a new addition to M&M, it has existed since the first printing of the book. You seem to have left out an important parenthetical clarification, however: "...spells (in addition to Physical spells), because..." While, admittedly, I do not possess the new printing, I do have access to the errata, which makes no mention of any changes to the wording of that section. As others have mentioned, and as is made clear with the inclusion of the words in parentheses, it is referring to the fact that spells such as mask, phantasm, and the theoretical mana-based silence spell (which, for some strange reason, does not actually exist save as a possibility with the spell design rules - the existing silence spell is physical) can still affect cybernetic ultrasound vision systems. It is not intended to override the clarification regarding sight-affecting illusions. In case anyone has the impression that I'm attempting to be misleading here, I'll expand the quote I provided.
Emphasis mine. Note that it *explicitly* uses the invisibility spell, NOT 'improved invisibility,' in the wording of how the system interacts with sight-based illusions. |
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Dec 10 2004, 01:12 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,326 Joined: 15-April 02 Member No.: 2,600 |
Why would the cybernetic ultrasound system work against invisibility and not phantasm or mask? (I'm not saying thats not what the book says, only that the distinction eludes me.)
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Dec 10 2004, 01:16 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Not commenting on Phantasm, but Mask isn't trying to hide the subject, or make someone invisible, just change their appearance. How would Ultrasound Vision make this any less efeective?
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Dec 10 2004, 01:17 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Phantasm is a mutli-sense illusion (all five senses are affected), and I though Mask was as well, though now I doubt myself on that. Look in MitS under the spell design example for Phantasm since SR3 is misprinted as single sense, IIRC.
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Dec 10 2004, 01:17 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Because those spells affect other physical characteristics besides vision. Mask clearly describes this - using mask to make someone appear to be a troll will grant them the (illusory) physical characteristics of a troll, including sound signiature. Phantasm is a little trickier, because SR3 describes it as being a visual illusion. MITS, however, clarifies that both Phantasm and Trid Phantasm are multi-sense illusions - again, this includes sound signiature. They really should errata the SR3 description of Phantasm/Trid Phantasm to mesh with the MITS description of those spells. Edit: to help Kanada Ten get past his doubts:
(note: ARRGH! The word 'target' should be changed to 'subject' in keeping with the way indirect illusions work...damn you SR3!!! DAMN YOU! *shakes fist*)
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