Turn to Goo, We all loved it |
Turn to Goo, We all loved it |
Dec 10 2004, 06:38 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 6-December 04 From: Wichita Falls, Tejas Member No.: 6,872 |
This came up in a general why we loved SR1 discussion a couple weeks ago. Me and my friends where talking about this spell and why it was so broken. Ever since they took it of of SR when SR2 came out I've missed it and my friends pitty my power-munchkin habits of gaming. I'm just looking for the general opion of a good SR community. And maybe a SR3 conversion since I lost my SR1 collection to a mastiff.
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Dec 10 2004, 07:12 PM
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Tilting at Windmills Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 |
I never particularly saw it as a munchkin type of spell, but that might just be me. I think Steve Kenson came up with a 3rd Edition version of it somewhere, but a quick search of his website didn't reveal it to me. It shouldn't be hard to find with a Google, though.
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Dec 10 2004, 07:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 1-March 04 Member No.: 6,112 |
What did it do?
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Dec 10 2004, 07:29 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Exactly what it sounds like.
~J |
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Dec 10 2004, 07:30 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
It eliminated the cohesion between your atoms, causing you to literally turn to goo. If memory serves, however, it left your cyberware intact, making it VERY valuable.
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Dec 10 2004, 08:17 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 9-July 04 From: Modesto, CA Member No.: 6,465 |
I thought it just turned all of you to goo, period.
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Dec 10 2004, 09:51 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Aalborg, Denmark Member No.: 2,069 |
The answer Steven Kenson came up with when the subject of "turn to goo" were discussed on the ShadowRN mailing list back in 2001:
\cth |
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Dec 11 2004, 01:41 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Sooo....
You cast it at a Force high enough to affect the Body of the target but low enough not to match the OR requirements for the cyberware... Spotless 2nd hand cyberware is only one side benefit of this (and yes, I did know a group that goo'd dead enemies for rapid retrieval of valuable cyber <shudder> ); the question tapping persistently at my brain is, what happens when - after you've snaffled the cyber - you drop the spell and the target reconstitutes..? |
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Dec 11 2004, 01:45 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,311 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 2,062 |
Wasn't the term 'messily dead' just used somewhere else a minute ago? The parts that contained cyberware are blank. Figure out what problems apply on a per-case basis. I can't think of any, short of a cortex bomb, that would leave a person in a condition to be glad to be alive. |
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Dec 11 2004, 01:51 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Nope. The OR of your cyberware is reduced to that of the rest of your body when you pay for it with essence. This is also why you cant target pieces of cyberware specifically with spells - as far as magic is concerned, you and your ware are a single entity. |
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Dec 11 2004, 02:02 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
The spell isn't too bad, but the description is. Molecular Cohesion? WTF. You don't describe Shapechange in terms of molecules, why start with another transformation manipulation?
The OR isn't exactly "reduced" but simply irrelevant. As you said, "as far as magic is concerned, you and your ware are a single entity." And while that doesn't translate perfectly because of astral projection and (IIRC) regeneration, it's a good rule of thumb. Once you're dead I would think it counts OR as per material. |
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Dec 11 2004, 02:11 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
Describing molecular activity isnt exactly without precedent. A more analogous spell than Shapechange/Transform is Petrify, which is described as the transformation of living tissues into calcium carbonate. Likewise, the Ignite spell is described in terms of accelerating molecular motion (which is redundant given the actual definition of temperature, but it makes it sound cooler).
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. |
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Dec 11 2004, 02:13 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Meh, I still think it's dumb and unnecessary. |
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Dec 11 2004, 02:15 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
...which is a fair and reasonable opinion, I'm just pointing out that the description is thematically consistent with those of other canon spells. Whether those descriptions are *good* is another matter entirely.
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