Run against a present day hospital Options

[Shanshu Freeman]

Well, I'm taking a private security class as part of my Criminal Justice curriculum, and our group is doing a project on Hospital Security.

It got me to thinking, who better to find ways to beat the system then shadowrunners?

If you were to do a run against any current day hospital, what might your target be, how would you go about it, and what would you be carefull about?


Threats can include anything from theft for profit, sabotage with maximum infection potential, or any form of terrorism, etc.

And I *DO* mean present day, ie: december of 2004.

[kevyn668]

Targets:
Umm...a witness of some sort. Either under guard or not.
New medical thingy.
Extract a researcher.
Rescue a fellow runner that was injured and captured.
Destroy/contaminate evidence (forensic pathology stuff). Could be computer or physical based.
Disrupt chain of possesion (see above).


For the other parts:
What? You didn't read the Infiltration Challenge? :D

[Kagetenshi]

I really don't see it being that difficult. I mean, I did the markups for some not insignificant Boston-area hospitals, and operating security just isn't that much of a consideration. You'd have to be able to talk your way past people and look like you belong, but none of the plans I worked on had any meaningful automated/electronic security.

Though it isn't impossible that those were just on other plans.

~J

[Shanshu Freeman]

[Kanada Ten]

[Kagetenshi]

If someone I wanted dead was getting brought in by ambulance, I'd have someone drive me to the ambulance area, get out, shoot the person several times, and just leave. It has worked in the past.

You can probably also do a lot with explosives or bio/chem weapons and a hijacked ambulance.

~J

[Teulisch]

hmm. well, first thing that comes to my mind, is bombing a target to injure people who the hospital would admit. this gets police/lone star busy elsewhere, and keeps the hospital busy. it may be practical in modern day, but in 2064 it may not work so well (you first have to find out who the hospital covers, ect). all in all its a stupid tactic, but not all runners are smart.

First thing i would do is recon. find out what frequency all the hospitals communications are on (ambulances, nurses walkie-talkies, ect). i would also find out how often these frequencies change over several days. I would have ou decker hack their system, and find their work schedules. best time to move is late into 2nd or 3rd shift when everyone is tired, and most patients are asleep in bed. jamming frequencies is important, as you can jam the hospital but not the ambulances. blueprints for the building are a must.

tracking devices on ambulances. shouldnt be too hard to do. Just as a side thought, how many ambulances could be stolen in one night?

scapegoats: have a radical group you can shift blame to. anti-abortion, ect.

who volunteers? when? where can they go, what can they do? being a volunteer would be a perfect way to have a look around inside.

hospitals have a lot of drugs, getting them and then leaving via ambulance (which is then dumped a couple miles away, and switch to a stolen car)

hospitals have diseases. it could be an attempt to aquire a bioweapon. (suspect this one would go wrong, and break/spill something ugly by mistake, especialy if theres any gunfire).

and what about the morgue? if you grab one body and put another in the incinerator, they wont know which one is missing. what if one marked for incineration has something shoved inside it that would explode?

endplan, i would say guy 1 volunteers for acess, then mans electronic warfare while others go on mission.

[Kagetenshi]

Teulisch: we're thinking along the same lines, in some ways. How much explosive material can you cram into a living human if you just want them to live to get to the emergency room? Suicide bombing taken to a whole new level…

Then there's always the tried-and-true of going to Children's Hospital and grabbing a few hostages.

~J

[kevyn668]

[Kagetenshi]

Dude. General mayhem is definitely on-topic.

~J, offender of the public good

[draco aardvark]

I don't know how good front security is (I'm not sick much) but I assumed that my group was able to get past a metal detector and the human security by claiming to visit someone (they had a name, from the news). Once in, they found a needle in an empty room's "sharps" box and filled it with bleach from an unsecured supply closet which they used to kill the patient.

The effect was pretty immediate and significant, but if they'd done something different (like an air bubble in the neck) it might not have been so easily traced.

lessons learned:
* lock supply closets
* the sharps box has a metal cover over most of it, you'd have to rip off the top
* require ID (at least it's expensive to replace in Shadowrun, I should have thought of this, >doh<)
* the video cameras were a good idea, there should be a couple of rooms for "high-profile" patients which have them in the room itself

[Teulisch]

actualy, theres 3 ways to do this.
1 is stealth. 2 is hit and run. 3 is hostages, leading to a seige by swat. 3 is not good, but if you do a hit-and-run leaving a few behind holding hostages, then it may become a viable strategy. explosion destorys evidence (remote detonator or timer, sooner than those left behind expect).

recon, job, cleanup. cleanup could be a bomb left behind. the point is to destory evidence.

from the view of an on-site gaurd, first clue anything unusual is up should be along the lines of active jamming, cut power/cable/phone lines, and things going boom. A distraction (loonatic with a bomb) may draw security to the far side of the building. anyone leaving fast after that starts are assumed to be paniced. best time to start the distraction is just as team A is ready to leave with the goods.

[JaronK]

I'd read a bit about where things are in the hospital, then I'd go in with a standard tool kit full of everything I might need. When checked by security, just say you're there to fix something, maybe some circutry, and ask where radiology (or whatever) is.

JaronK

[Kagetenshi]

3 is excellent if getting away isn't so much a factor.

~J

[zenpoetsix]

i work in a hospital (i only shadowrun on the weekends, ha, ha) and security is practically non-existent. they gave us badges to wear but the guards never check. legally, the only place you can have cameras is over the employee parking lot because of patient confidentality. and the guard that sits at the e/r door that has to stay open is over 70. all you need to do a run against a present day hosptial is a fake idea, a pair of scrubs, and looking like you belong but there is a police station down the street. if you screw up and get noticed, you better have a good escape plan

[Spook]

Yeah, hospital security is a joke. Our local one has had so many additions to it that the number of entrances and exits is pretty significant, not to mention that there's no visible security of any kind.

Nine times out of ten, if you look like you belong (and often even when you don't) nobody says a thing. Unless you're breaking into the pharmacy, you shouldn't even need to slip or pick any locks.

The hospital's ID cards look easy enough to fake for that matter...

[bitrunner]

another run that i didn't see mentioned was dealing with hospital records...

these are (supposedly) protected, especially in digital format. someone may want to see the medical records of a person (for blackmail purposes), or have you insert something into the records, so that the person won't be cleared for a job. someone may want their own records stolen as part of erasing their ID or presence and/or what they were having done in the hospital...

and of course, from a unique shadowrun perspective, there's also the opportunity for retrieving blood and other tissue samples to be used later in ritual sorcery...

there is a lot of business right now in security for hospital computer records, so i would expect that the matrix systems of the hospital, especially those that control records and also life support equipment, are very well protected, if not even moved to an isolated network.

[Grimtooth]

As i work in a hospital i can tell you the biggest thing here is the data. That's where the money is. Getting access to it isn't really a problem if you can look professional enough. People here are gullible.

[Xavroc]

Getting into the hospitals are no problem. Heck, Military hospitals you can just walk in and around pratically anywhere you wish. So getting to the goal isn't much of a problem. All you would really need to do is get passed the gate guards....now that's a challenge :coughs: :( . My opinion: We need to step our security at our military bases. :steps of pedistal:

As for gaming purposes: any tactical missions like this the problem always seems to be blending in. Making it look like you belong.

As for the various missions yall posted...wow. Gotta use some of those if yall don't mind.

[Nikoli]

Are we talking a hospital now or a hospital in SR?

Also, from what I know and have heard, most hospitals no longer carry active disease cultures, those are stored in the CDC, only serums leave for hospitals, becase of security issues. Why hire 2 guards when you can add 4 beds.

Also, radioactive material (non-fissible) for dirty bombs is readily had in radiology and some cancer wards.

The bigger threat is the male orderlies as they tackle and hold down the psychotics as the nurses drug them.
by SR times I see hospitals being run in a more secure fashion, physical security is tighter with the addition od proximity cards and inexpensive automatic door technology.
cheap knockout gas and a ditinct lack of human rights observation makes for an easier time in security.

[algcs]

[Shanshu Freeman]

First off, I wanna thank everybody, especially the greats for all their great suggestions. You know who you are, I really appreciate it.

[Method]

[Wounded Ronin]

Soldier of Fortune II had a hospital level which was a lot of fun.

The moral is that discharging 40mm grenades in hospital hallways as evil commandos try to rush your position is good clean fun.

[Shockwave_IIc]

My girlfriend works in a hosiptal. As she is the issuer of security pass's and all i've the impression the the hosiptal is very "maglock" based.

Trying to get something from a hosiptal when you need a to break another maglock to into every area. might put a cramper on your day.