Packing heat, IC discussion on weapons Options

[Snow_Fox]

The sliver gun is good as long as the target's not wearing any armor. Add just a little padding and you might do more damage throwing it at someone. You only need that if you're shooting up unarmed targets like in a stuffer shack...

[toturi]

Untrue, Fox. In tests against normal ballistic armour, flechette rounds outperformed normal ball rounds in terms of damage. Only armour with ceramic plating or its impact trauma equivalent reduced the effectiveness of flechette rounds significantly. Dermal armour like those possesed by trolls reduced the effectiveness of flechettes somewhat.

Furthermore, the slivergun has a burst fire option and holds 30 rounds. That's 10 bursts. Large ammo capacity, significant damage and small enough to carry into a black tie party.

[Canid13]

Who in the name of Big D is Buck Rogers?!?! You chummers' really should get out more, might make you more understable. *wink*

I've been carrying a Pred since I was a child, and my current Pred 3 since I got me first chrome at like 13. It's never failed me, ever, and the Spirit knows I've put it through some crap. Same with my Alpha, but that's a different story.

I've seen people use Brownings, and a chummer of mine used Walthers until he got his custom jobs, but call me stuck in my ways, but it's just something about the balance of the Ares pistols which seems right for me. And at the end of the day, in the middle of a drek storm, I'd rather feel comfortable than not even if I have to sacrifice some firepower. It's mainly a backup weapon afterall.

[Lindt]

And you need to go check some vintage stores. Buck Rodgers was a 1940s star of film, screen, and comic book. Did a lotta hokey fighting aliens. Very Art Deco, lots of chrome and smooth blubous stuff.

[Snow_Fox]

Older than that. He was in sci-fi back in the 1920's, well before trid. He had a pistol that looked like an old Mauser that fired exploding bullets. He fought an asian enemy who got about in huge LAV ships and commanded a huge technological empire dedicated to removing free will.

Hmmm- kind of makes you wonder, don't it?

as for the slivergun, any ceramics, like in your basic lined coat, pretty much put and end to the flechette's extra damage. Burst fire? That reduces the gun to a 10 shot weapon, so it's at a disadvantage compared to a Manhunter's 15 shot clip.

[toturi]

[Canid13]

Did they even have like electricity back in the 1920's? *puzzled look*

Tell ya what chummer, I'll look into it just for you *smiles*

To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen anyone use a Viper. But then again, I've never used shredders either.

[Mugzy]

Hey Snowy, wasn't that Flash Gordon versus Ming the Merciless?

Anyway, Im having a hard time finding something more effective than a splat glue gun. Just two days back, I had a buddy splat a door shut and two star goons to their beat up Chrysler.

[Fix-it]

HEY! I got a chummer calls himself that. Must be where he got it from. he's into all that pre-trid drek.

[Club]

If you just really need to bust something big up, try to get your hands on a Great Dragon ATGM. The UCAS military produced a BIG run of the things in the early 50's, and a pile got shipped to Fort Lewis. An IG inspection about three months after the Big D bought it (RIP) showed that roughly three hundred of the missiles were missing. One of the great unsung shadowruns. To this day one will turn up in an odd place. Few fixers will admit to having them though. The 'Star is death on the things; it'll bust up a HTR Citymaster too good to be allowed on the street.

As a hidden weapon the Samurai’s Sidekick ain’t a bad choice. Unless, of course, you have to use it. The thing is bloody loud, and hard to mistake for anything else. Fun gun to use though.

Personally, I think everyone is ignoring the biggest drawback of the slivergun. Because it’s so quiet and lethal against the unarmored (Meaning civilians), most ‘Star don’t like the thing. Predators don’t draw half the raised eyebrows, even if the same laws cover both. Not that they have to worry; their jackets (Like mine) are armored with the impact plates. Ammo is a lot cheaper for the pred too

And I will leave you with a final word of advice on avoiding trouble. Keep your guns clean. Unmaintained guns mean that you're an amateur, and amateurs are dangerous.

[Canid13]

Expecially if you're standing too close when the skag misfires his Antioch just cos he didn't clean the fragger after dragging it through Redmond! Luckily I was in a Sec Skin else I'da joined him in the local organlegger's.

And it reminds me of my former DS's favourite comment (aside from 'Oi mage runt, suck it up') - "you can't be mean if you don't keep it clean."

[toturi]

Again untrue, the Star is as likely to hassle you for having a Pred as an AVS. The Pred is a real heavy duty serious weapon, just like a Manhunter. The Star take the same view of the Pred as the AVS, it is made to kill, not for self defense.

OOC: Check your legality codes, people. I know this is an IC thread, but do check your rules first - p273 SR3.

[Canid13]

I'd say that sorta depends on the situation. In some neighbourhoods it's a legitimate defensive weapon.

But flashing a permit always helps with the Star, though they do tend to get a little antsy when they first see it.

[Snow_Fox]

Sure, against a lined coat the Viper is just as effective as something firing ball ammo, but considering it's so much more expensive....

Permitts always help with the nice officers. But even if you have a permit for a mini-gun, the police will be much more nervous around someone with a predator than an Asp or Barretta. Just 'cause you're allowed to have it doesn't mean the badges will be happy about you being there. Unhappy nervous policemen are not good.


Yeah, Flash Gordon fought Ming the Merciless, early early sci fi with lasers. I think their pre-sim flat screen stuff had "airships" that were pie plates on wires. They did those long before man left the bio-sphere and their concept of outerspace was "cute."

Buck Rogers was originally in print- back when people got their news in writing, and was pretty much running around on earth. Once in England I saw a preserved item in a display cabinet in the Bodlian library's vaults. It's worth a lot if you have the right market.

[Club]

[Fresno Bob]

[Canid13]

Yeah, gotta admit some of the Star's fine officers do react even worse when they see the permit than if they hadn't, it does tend to depend on the officer involved and the situation.

And you chummers need to get a life, I mean arguing over stuff made long before any of us were born, save maybe some elves present, is just .... damn!

[Fix-it]

Heh, had me a run-in once with some Humanis punks on the east side of Nelson's Corner, they were harrassing some little halfer kid. I busted them up a bit, had my Browning in full view, and the Star just walked by. Didn't blink, nothing. Upon my oath, I am not a violent man, but if there's one thing I justs can't stand is racism.

[Lindt]

When your holed up in a flop that hasent seen re-decorating in 90 years, you tend to get nastalagic.
Yeah, a RAY run...
Aim a slivergun? Thats like aiming a shotgun, you dont so much as aim as you do point and click. And they dont do jack to someone wearing 'runner undies.
Some stupid securety guard got a brillent drop on me, thought I was dead, till I noticed that he didnt have his gun drawn, and that he was packing an AVS. Must have been hopped up on something cause he took 3 to the chest from my brownie before he went down. Didnt even know I had been shot till I got to a keyhole and noticed I looked like an angry porcipine. That damm thing is so quite I didnt hear him shoot me! Didnt feel it either, gotta say the 2k I paid for the form fit was worth every dime that night.

[Kayne]

Dunno, chummers. Every piece has it's place. You can't rely on a single gun all of the time, cuz a single gun won't always do the trick. A pred will do just for walking around, cuz what the frag is some gutter skunk gonna do when his muggee pulls out a fragging hand cannon instead of his wallet? He'll crap himself, that's what! But you put a silencer on that damn thing, you're kidding yourself! It's already forty-fragging-centimeters long. You'd look like some punk breeder swimming out of his depths.

Me? When I can pick my shots, it's a viper all the way. And if you're in a panic, switch that baby to burst and go crazy.

But that's just for precision, close-up stuff. For general stuff, you want something with a bit of range, a big ol' magazine and full-auto capacity. That's right, you want an assault rifle, or a subbie at the very least. True, shotguns (doubly-so for burst-fire) have a certain end-of-the-world appeal, and can clear a hallway in record time, but they just ain't for me.

[Snow_Fox]

Shotguns do have a use. very nasty up close and great for suppression fire against people with little training. against people with assault rifles, the best effect is to not get into an open space where they have a clear shot.

Flash Gordon predated 1980. I've seen remnants of stuff maybe 50 years older, with rocket ships with great trails of smoke coming out and buzzing like a shorted out electric car.

[toturi]

[Canid13]

Maybe he's has his skin peeled? Sure hurts like a mutha-fragger for a week or so but once you get used to it you're good to go again.

Perhaps I should ask one of my chummers about the Viper. He's a demon with a pistol, so I'm sure he's seen em used.

[Snow_Fox]

I've seen them used. The question is are they worth their cost?

[Canid13]

Well, if they get the job done then I suppose they must be. Not sure I'd want too, but I suppose it's personal choice at the end of the day.