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post Sep 12 2003, 12:40 AM
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You have got to be kidding me. Some of the points are ridiculous.

The Ancient History of these ancient races are written in ancient texts. OMG get me Johnny Cochrain.

They both refer to Elderly vampires as Elders. Damn thiefs.

It is just cheap advertisement.
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post Sep 12 2003, 01:07 AM
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I'm fairly sure hiring lawyers and suing huge corporations isn't cheap, or 'free advertising.' Whether you think the suit is garbage or not, don't be silly enough to think that it's just a publicity stunt for White Wolf. There are cheaper ways to do that sort of thing, ways that don't involve risking looking like an asshole if they lose the suit.
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post Sep 12 2003, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE (Boondocker)
There are cheaper ways to do that sort of thing, ways that don't involve risking looking like an asshole if they lose the suit.

Like making up a parody website to stir up pre-release publicity for Demon: The Fallen?
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post Sep 12 2003, 01:33 AM
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Don't let Raccoon Avatar see that!
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post Sep 12 2003, 07:25 AM
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Don't let Raccoon Avatar see that!

Too late...
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post Sep 12 2003, 05:06 PM
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Sure, AV, like that.
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post Sep 13 2003, 04:19 AM
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Having read the book, and being the obscenely obsessive compulsive WW fan that I am, I have read the entirety, and quite a few of the listed numbers are complete and total BS, being totally generic, while others refer to a large number of "coinicidences" between individual characters.
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post Sep 13 2003, 10:13 AM
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Once the number of "coincidences" passes a certain threshold, I find it difficult to believe they're really coincidental. But then I've been accused of being paranoid.
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post Sep 13 2003, 12:26 PM
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I've never read through a lawsuit, but I work for a roofing company and I've read through the paperwork for foreclosures on a few of our customers' houses that we get notified about. It's the same way, they take half of the "book" worth of paper jus to make sure everyone knows exactly where the property is, what it's boundaries are, etc. And they can never say "Mr. X", they say "Mr. X, any spouse, descendant, business, contractor, unnamed heirs or other unknown or unnamed entities whom may have claim upon said property" every single time they would normally just say the owner's name.. it gets rather tedious. I bet if you could get something in legalese in a .doc file and do a search/replace and replace all that BS with plain english they would be half as long...

Hence the push to train lawyers to write and speak in plain english. At the moment, I am doing an assignment where I have to assess the damages of a plaintiff from a non-feasance suit. They mark the first 2000 words. Anything else is not marked.


... 5 years ago, the limit was 5000 words, with 20% leeway.

Things are changing very quickly.
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post Sep 15 2003, 12:40 PM
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wee!! LOL, i read through another on Friday and they literally took an entire paragraph every time they would have said the defendant's name in the foreclosure. it's downright insane. with computers these days they can just use a search/replace to write it but that doesn't help us read them any unless we get a softcopy of it to go along with the novel to reverse the process :P maybe i can invest in a good scanner that will scan to .txt ;)


for those who don't have a job that "lets" them read such fun stuff, there's usually a section in the classifides for "Legals" that are very short versions, but you'll still get an idea of what he/we are talking about :P
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post Sep 15 2003, 02:25 PM
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about the same as Wizkids suing the guys that make the Matrix movies

AFAIK, FASA got payed by the Cohen Bros for the rights to use a story (and related concepts) that appeared in the book "Virtual Realities". Now, what the terms there were (like maybe FASA was entitled to royalties, and the Cohens claim they changed it so much as to not use the original material) I don't know. Point is, the Matrix creators didn't just straight up lift an entire setting and character set with zero acknoleldgement; they paid the original sources, and then made very signifigant changes.
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post Sep 15 2003, 04:29 PM
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IIRC, the Wachowski brothers directed the Matrix, not the Coen brothers...
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post Sep 15 2003, 04:43 PM
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IIRC, the Wachowski brothers directed the Matrix, not the Coen brothers...

According to Amazon.com, you do remember correctly.
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post Sep 15 2003, 07:31 PM
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If I'm giving an orange to a friend, I'd say "I'm giving you this orange."

A lawyer giving an orange to a friend might say:

"Know all men by these presents that I hereby give, grant, bargain, sell, release, convey, transfer, and quitclaim all my right, title, interest, benefit, and use whatever in, of, and concerning this chattel, otherwise known as an orange, or citrus orantium, together with all the appurtenances thereto of skin, pulp, pip, rind, seeds, and juice, to have and to hold the said orange together with its skin, pulp, pip, rind, seeds, and juice, for his own use and behoof, to himself and his heirs in fee simple forever, free from all liens, encumbrances, easements, limitations, restraints, or conditions whatsoever, any and all prior deeds, transfers or other documents whatsoever, now or anywhere made to the contrary notwithstanding, with full power to bite, cut, suck, or otherwise eat the said orange or to give away the same with or without its skin, pulp, pip, rind, seeds, or juice."
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post Sep 15 2003, 07:42 PM
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:rotfl: LMFAO!

sad... but true :P
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post Sep 15 2003, 07:44 PM
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ooops, double posted somehow.. no way to delete posts? :( sorry
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post Sep 15 2003, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (Talia Invierno @ Sep 15 2003, 02:31 PM)
If I'm giving an orange to a friend, I'd say "I'm giving you this orange."

A lawyer giving an orange to a friend might say:

"Know all men by these presents that I hereby give, grant, bargain, sell, release, convey, transfer, and quitclaim all my right, title, interest, benefit, and use whatever in, of, and concerning this chattel, otherwise known as an orange, or citrus orantium, [. . .]

Unfortunately, the typo in citrus aurantium leaves this contract in a legal limbo, since the property in question has been improperly identified. It'll be tied up in the courts for years as it gets sorted out. Also, the joke in question appears on several other webpages, so your generous offer of an orange has now turned into a suit for copyright infringement. :(
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post Sep 15 2003, 10:18 PM
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IIRC, the Wachowski brothers directed the Matrix, not the Coen brothers...


Oh my gawd, I would kill to see a Matrix movie done by the Coen brothers... that would be pure gold. :D
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post Sep 15 2003, 11:26 PM
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i walked into my local comic store one night after a movie to see whats new. and theres a bunch of fruity lookin goths talkin funny and just... well, being fruity goths. anyway, long story short, its some kind of white wolf larp, i had to get out of there for my sanity. they were just talking in character, no action no nothing. it hurts to recollect

point: theres nothing worse than fruity goths roleplaying whiney, angsty immortal fruity goths.

reminds me of the old "goth talk" SNL sketches
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post Sep 16 2003, 01:34 AM
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*gasp!*

Not roleplayers roleplaying! We're dooommmeeeedddd! ;-)
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post Sep 16 2003, 01:56 AM
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You know theres is a lot of questionable things, but theres a lot of them. I think the most powerful evidence they have is the relationship the to characters have in common. They do seem very similar. Also the story seems to be the same. Is that an infringment? I don't know. It's why we have legale-speak.

Personally I think WW has a valid argument, even if it's untrue, they almost had to seek legale action. Think of it this way, if Underworld is successful, WW will never be able to make a movie because it's already been done. It's to unique of an idea to have to many movies come out about it.
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post Sep 16 2003, 01:58 AM
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post Sep 16 2003, 03:29 PM
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I think it's a good point that WW could be doing this to establish a tradition of defending the image.

Fygg, you should have just treated them like they were normal- don't bat an eye. They probably wanted some shock value, you should have just ignored it.
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post Sep 16 2003, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE (Arcanum V)
Also, the joke in question appears on several other webpages, so your generous offer of an orange has now turned into a suit for copyright infringement.  :(

Absolutely! and oh so appropriate for a thread about originality and copyright infringement. (I have no talent for satire. Irony, very occasionally. Parables and parallels, rarely.) Who was it who first came up with that piece anyway? I have no clue.

The general concepts behind werewolves, vampires, lawyers etc. etc. are much older than White Wolf, certainly older than Buffy/Angel (where the influence is also very visible). Specifics of society, approach to spirituality, and terminology may not be. Typoed specifics - well, if some versions of the script happen to contain parallel unusual spellings which happen to duplicate the attempted Latin from another site, it might be a good guess that the piece might perhaps not be original.
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post Sep 16 2003, 03:54 PM
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Such as WW's spelling of Jyhad, or their take on Gehenna as an event rather than a place of torment, perhaps?
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