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[Adam]

I think "bored audience" would perhaps just be fine on it's own. ;-)

So, to take the thread on a different tack: Three things I would have done to improve Underworld:

1. More variety in vampiric/werewolf powers, less gunplay.
2. More information on the second group of vampires, making them more than just victims.
3. Better definition of the setting: just what city were they in? How do the vampires and werewolves stay hidden? where are the other vampires from? etc, etc.

[Hot Wheels]

I agree with most of those. Play down the gun fight- maybe see a vamp's punch miss the target in the early fight seen and see it take out a piece of support column (Oh, they are stronger than mortals) and maybe a little more interaction with Kine (like the familiars in "Blade" that would answer most of the questions)

[Siege]

Generally speaking, we do see some vampiric powers --> jumping off a building and landing with a bounce (I really liked the strut). Leaping to the ceiling and clinging. Getting knocked out of a window and landing upright.

It seems though that the 'wolves are just as physically capable, if not more so since they seem to dominate every hand-to-hand encounter with the casual vamp. Granted, most of that was in "I'm gonna eat your face" mode, but still.

Which explains why vamps resorted to guns to deliver the silver. And why the vamps tried not to engage wolves that were in "I'm gonna eat your face" mode in hand-to-hand.

While the wolves were less able to kill vamps with guns, it would slow them down and impede their ability to shoot back with silver bullets, so we see a relatively logical progression in the firearm use. Although the special loads would have given the wolves more encouragement to learn accuracy and control.

We may see more powers if they do a sequel with a budget increase -- although vamps were carrying flashlights, suggesting they may lack improved sensory capabilities. I think they were trying to avoid re-hashing familiar ground with traditional powers, abilities and whatnot.

I didn't object to the lack of particulars about the vampire covens since the story was technically focusing on a love between two houses, but that was a fairly weak element in and of itself.

I just refused to count how many rounds those magazines must have held for as often as she cranked up the autofire.

And was it just me, or did "Viktor" have a really strong Southern drawl when they first thawed him out?

-Siege

[Hot Wheels]

Yeah, but most of the time, the wolves DON'T shift, they just grab their own guns and blaze away "Whoa guys, we can shift form into horrible killing machines and we just forgot- D'oh!"

[Adam]

[Siege]

[Siege]

[Fygg Nuuton]

even when she was on the computer just chatting, checking her pictures and checking her stocks, she was still in latex IIRC
the clips in her guns were magic! they held like what, eleventy-billion rounds?

[Siege]

Magazines, damnit.

Anyway, I think she was in a velvet top, although the pant/leggings were still leather/laytex.

-Siege

[Arcanum V]

[Siege]

Dude.

I almost want to play Vampire now.

-Siege

[Hot Wheels]

Try VtM but you need a good GM to keep it going, in that worlkd vampires run and hide from werewolves.

Her outfits get any tighter and circulation would get cut off. The one onther outfit she had, I don't know if it's velvet, I thought it was a leather slip dress.

[Siege]

I've played in a White Wolf game and while it didn't last long, it was vaguely interesting. Like a lot of things, I suppose it depends on the crew.

But yeah, most things hide from werewolves. It's a surival instinct, more affectionately referred to as the "oh, sh*t!" response.

As for the outfits, the whole laytex element kinda detracts from individual curves -- which is just a fact of life, I suppose. But I can still (and do) fantasize. :grinbig:

-Siege

[Hot Wheels]

VtM is a lot of role playing, muchkins and mini-maxers just kill it.

[Snow_Fox]

[Hot Wheels]

:D

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[Hot Wheels]

Well yeah, but mini-maxers think their cool no matter what and don't know they're complete dorks!

[Adam]

One can min-max and still roleplay well; one doesn't preclude the other.

[Usual disclaimer: Everyone defines 'min-max' differently...]

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[Hot Wheels]

We're using it in the text of someone whos objective is less a well developed role than to have the onne with the bestest/fastest/bad assest whatever.

I'm a mage with an L8 power focus
Cyber Zombie ninja

becomes a brujah with ober potence etc

[Atrox]

Odd how that question quickly turns to combat stats. Personally, when powergaming I'd rather have a Ventrue with Presence 5+, or maybe a True Brujah. ;)

[Adam]

I think min-maxing is using the game rules to get the most "bang for your buck."

You are adding "at the expense of roleplaying and/or character development."

The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, yet you seem to think that they are. No worries; I just think it's amusing how something that I think is completely neutral [min-maxing isn't a good or bad thing in my eyes] is something that you always see as completely negative.

[Atrox]

Actually, I see min-maxing as perfectly realistic for many characters. It would be odd if a char whose background says he's an MD doesn't have the skills to match. Equally odd is a cop who can't shoot.

But all too often, min/maxing is aimed at maximum combat utility, rather than matching the background story.

[Hot Wheels]

Exactly.