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Mister Juan
post Oct 17 2007, 09:30 PM
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The very best would be if you could give me an exact list of photos you would need. I can also take pictures of stuff that could pass for "any place". Like the inside of a coffee shop, outside/inside of a bar/club, parks, night or day city skyline, corporate looking buildings, etc....

What I do know I have, that could be of some use would be:
-Irish Pub picutres (bar)
-Few downtown buildings
-Few shots of a city at night
-Decrepit looking old factory/warehouse
-Old tug boat
-Parks
-Pier
-Streets (night)
-Construction site
-subway
-sky/clouds
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post Oct 17 2007, 09:52 PM
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Hey I could definitely use that 'decrepit looking old factory/warehouse' for Cao Jaan's Warehouse! If Sedna's willing to take it, that was one of the pictures I was going to hunt for to give her.
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Mister Juan
post Oct 17 2007, 10:14 PM
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I'll try to get a small gallery up and running so I can show you what I have.
Unfortunately, they're only exterior shots (cause I got busted by security trying to sneak in ;)) and it's of an old sugar factory if I'm not mistaken.

EDIT: Damn it... my domain is being transfered at the moment, so I can't upload crap. Anyone else has an ftp where I could upload web galleries?
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post Oct 18 2007, 03:35 AM
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From Aug. 28:

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Do we want to have the first Cosmo volume the shortest of the series, to make an artificial break at a specific page range, or to make it by quite a bit the longest?


Your call on this. Whatever you think is the most logical and artistically pleasing way.

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And finally: should I take choice snippets from the OOC, in and around the time when that specific part of the greater storyline was being created: and pull them together into small appendices, say three or four pages at the end of each volume?


If possible, I definitely vote for this! Some of our OOC conversations have been drop dead hilarious (e.g. Blimp of DOOM™, Easter Bunny Assassins, Cthulhu's after-action report, BC trying to deflect Grendel's deadly schemes onto other innocent people, avgas, just to name a few!) and reflect a part of the LITS world that goes beyond the game. Namely, the relationships and fun times we've had getting to know one another and working together. I mean, we even ended up trademarking all references to the Blimp of DOOM™ for crying out loud, how can we not include the discussion of how that reference came about? :)

From Sep. 6

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The second point of delay is pictures, lots and lots of high-quality pictures and maps. Whatever you have, for your character or storyline or on others, I want. smile.gif Note, however, the higher resolution needed for print as opposed to web.


I don't know how to tell how much dpi a picture has, so I will send all pictures I dig up to Vegas, Mister Juan, and Sedna. At the worst, they can be put on the wiki as intended, at best they can be used for the novels. Someone more technically proficient will have to make that call, but at least they're out there to be considered.

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Finally, a question wrt level of editing. Whenever possible, I've tried to keep it light and minimal, fixing grammar and spelling but only where it was appropriate to do so, combining some posts to make for an easier flow. I've standardised the way thought processes flow in posts, fonts, and spelling into American versions. Mostly, I've frequently changed name for pronoun or changed the order of phrases so that we don't have a constant succession of "[my PC] did this": necessary in multi-character post-by-post, quite a bit less so in printed text involving only a few PCs. Is this acceptable?


Absolutely! Obviously the way it's necessary to post in a play-by-post is going to have some idiosyncrasies that will not translate well to a novel you read. I trust your editing ability to remain true to the author and spirit of the post while making it readable as a novel instead of a post in an online game. By all means, please do this, because I know I wrote some posts that work for a game, but are terrible if you read it in a book, and I'm sure others have too, so you fixing them up where necessary is a step I heavily endorse.

From Sep 21:

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“Hold that thought. Man needs a moment to get hisself situated.� Tin Star pulls up a chair beside them, gesturing easily to the waitress – who’d started slightly at the sight of his Stetson, boots, and flannel shirt – and had her get him a glass of water and an assorted plate he’d no real intention of eating. Usually he’d pass altogether – food is food and biz is biz – but in a place like this, not ordering would gain him attention aplenty, and not of the kind he’d intended. He smiled, tipped his hat in Alleycat’s direction. He’d not even recognized her initially, wouldn’t have joined her if it hadn’t been for recognizing Blaze instantly. Girl had some interesting resources.


Perfect. I could never get the hang of Tin Star and butchered him when I played him. Your version is infinitely better. As I said earlier, by all means please change it so I don't wince when I read it, as I would with my version! :)

From Oct 12:

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Volume Sample the Second: first chapter (still with my layout notes) + title page + cast + glossary. Take those notes out, add appropriate clipart etc in their place, and this is pretty much the way the layout will look. I'm open to suggestions, especially for making this particular intro more "festive" without making it either light-hearted or "busy".


I thought I wouldn't like the time/date stamps in the right corner, but after reading it a while I started thinking of it as if I were Dragon. Where would I expect the time to show up on my image link. Surprisingly enough, I ended up imagining it in the right eye. Not sure why, but it works. It seems to flow more naturally when the time is in the right corner, whereas in the left corner it seems to break up the flow into separate sections instead. It's weird, but I vote to keep the time in the right corner, it seems to flow better.

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You'll see places where clipart or advertising is suggested. I specifically need a banner ad for Club Abraxis (Matrix club), a small 1" or 1 1/2" square ad for Miner's Landing, and a small tower ad, say 3" tall, for the Auburn Mall (flexible on this one). I'd also like many, many other pieces of clipart or advertising, in various sizes.


I don't have a scanner, but may I recommend using Seattle Sourcebook especially, and New Seattle and Runner Havens to a lesser degree? They have pictures that would be usable for a lot of things.

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Front cover draft, courtesy of Neophyte Overlord: this will be universal across all the volumes. Bottom subtitle is to be lowered, possibly top title to be raised slightly, exact shades of blue yet to be worked out (weekend project). Feedback?


What about a black sky with dark blue for the Seattle Skyline and buildings? Then perhaps dots of yellow to represent the lights in the Seattle Skyline? Does that sound like it could work?
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post Oct 18 2007, 05:51 AM
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In case it hasn't become really obvious, I don't naturally think in imagery -- and in fact I hardly ever think visually. Suggestions such as those which have just been thrown up help immensely in me trying to think what images might work.

Uploading: the livingintheshadows.org domain has tons of space and unlimited bandwidth, feel free to use it. I think you already have access?
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The very best would be if you could give me an exact list of photos you would need. I can also take pictures of stuff that could pass for "any place". Like the inside of a coffee shop, outside/inside of a bar/club, parks, night or day city skyline, corporate looking buildings, etc....

I love the idea of "any place", especially some of the ones you have listed. I don't yet know which would go where, or even how many of these will end up working. Once we have these visuals though: it's a given these locations will suddenly start being actively used in-thread, since they will suddenly be "real".

I do know that for the first volume we could definitely use a human-"cold" image of high, glass skyscrapers. It's January in Seattle: no snow at this time but cold, and the outside streets can be very empty. Unfriendliness. Shutting out. I'll use that one somewhere opposite Blaze's story. (If you've read the excerpt, you'll get the idea.)

We will be needing lots of "city//streets at night" shots for later volumes, but it would be very easy to overdo this. Say, max of one "night city" picture per volume, but not in every one. If everyone is okay with it, for this volume I would like to just hang onto the one frontipiece Seattle picture we currently have.

Echoing WinterRat, I think I want to save the decrepit-looking warehouse for a specific later volume. Minor curses about being busted -- this one would really work best from the inside, especially emphasising the size and height of it and maybe showing catwalks -- but we'll work with what you can get. Photoshop work: added dust, smoke, darkness, and maybe a muzzle flash here and there. But if not, I'll be very happy with good outside shots.

Parks -- you've got me thinking about cemetaries. We'll need an older one for (I think) volume four. I'll get you the exact text clip after we put the current volume to rest.

Similarly, pub -- but what I'd suggest here is a house doorway, maybe with a sign swinging over it: I'm thinking a business converted from a residential house: talismonger business, with some "nature" out back where a shaman could set up his lodge. This one would be for this volume.
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What I can do if I'm given enough prep time and enough directions is to find real people who might look like the "pictures" that you need, get them to my studio, and do an actual shoot.

That sounds expensive ...? unless you have a tight group of friends who'd get a kick out of this?

Oh, one specific thing I am looking for is the face / face+bust of a good-looking female (Human-Looking) ork: faint, lightly distorted. (Lady Cheng) I'll be using it as background for the "mirror" which has these words red-lipsticked onto it (I used Comic font for this):
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Heya lover,

You were fantastic, and just
what I needed tonight.
Let’s hook up again sometime.

Kate XOXOX
kjones@u.washington.edu

Your choice as to whether the image should be colour or grayscale. This is the description I have for her:
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“Habitually, she struck a come-hither pose: musculature well-defined, in a broad-shouldered but lanky frame, midriff flat with muscle from hours of crunches, attractively wide features, near-black hair tinged with purple and cut in the recently re-popularized pageboy style.  Hell, the overgrown lower canines that most orks also had were scarcely even noticeable, as long as she was careful when she smiled.  The only thing that threw off the image was the fist-sized yellowish-black bruising high on her left shoulderblade.â€?

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And finally: should I take choice snippets from the OOC, in and around the time when that specific part of the greater storyline was being created: and pull them together into small appendices, say three or four pages at the end of each volume?

If possible, I definitely vote for this! Some of our OOC conversations have been drop dead hilarious (e.g. Blimp of DOOMâ„¢, Easter Bunny Assassins, Cthulhu's after-action report, BC trying to deflect Grendel's deadly schemes onto other innocent people, avgas, just to name a few!) and reflect a part of the LITS world that goes beyond the game. Namely, the relationships and fun times we've had getting to know one another and working together. I mean, we even ended up trademarking all references to the Blimp of DOOMâ„¢ for crying out loud, how can we not include the discussion of how that reference came about? :)

If we go this route, I'll not include any of that discussion in this first volume, simply due to space. WinterRat (and everyone else who likes this idea): e-mail me links to the specific pages which contain the snippets you want.

Re time/date stamps: I've sometimes lightly re-arranged times (but only where it's not critical) so that things flow better: sometimes alternating two stories, generally much less choppy (I hope!). Perhaps the most obvious example of that will be many of the SL classifieds and personals which are not specific to PC action. I've also merged a lot of posts.
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What about a black sky with dark blue for the Seattle Skyline and buildings? Then perhaps dots of yellow to represent the lights in the Seattle Skyline? Does that sound like it could work?

I can test this, but offhand it sounds as though it won't have enough contrast between the two parts. I am definitely going to test how dark we can get while clearly retaining contrast: the light dusting of gold edging might help there. Not the dots of yellow though: you'd not like how the effect comes across.

Fyi there's not a single crucial location in the first volume that won't make a repeat appearance in later volumes: so if the current volume brings up ideas, we'll definitely have more available space for those later.
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post Oct 18 2007, 05:55 AM
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Cover: any other colour combinations people want to test? Saturday will be the dedicated cover-overhauling day. (Tomorrow is an actual scheduled day off! I'll read, but late.)
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post Oct 18 2007, 06:55 PM
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If we go this route, I'll not include any of that discussion in this first volume, simply due to space. WinterRat (and everyone else who likes this idea): e-mail me links to the specific pages which contain the snippets you want.


When do you need/want this by?

Anyone - Anyone have good computer graphics skills? I have a clear vision of how the Paradigm Shift nightclub looks, but I can't produce anything that would look like it. Any ideas how to go about creating it with computers?

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Fyi there's not a single crucial location in the first volume that won't make a repeat appearance in later volumes: so if the current volume brings up ideas, we'll definitely have more available space for those later.


May I suggest using whatever images we come up with and putting them on the wiki as well? Then we could develop our wiki more at the same time we're doing the novels.
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post Oct 18 2007, 09:39 PM
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Character Descriptions

Avalanche

[ Spoiler ]


Blaze

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Klaus Ebert

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Cao Jaan

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Lady Cheng
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Durin

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Tin Star

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post Oct 20 2007, 11:25 PM
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So now there's three full page images I'd really like for the first volume, if at all possible. Deadlines ... well, obviously I'd like sooner rather than later for everything since I'm trying for a final layout, but the outside deadline is Friday.

The first is at Miner's Landing, Blaze (see WinterRat's physical description) and Margaret (think sweet middle-aged lady) sitting together at a restaurant table. Off-hand, I'm picturing a mid-upscale restaurant with tables at reasonable distances from each other (not particularly widely scattered, but definitely not as crowded as most restaurants seem to be these days). It's an emotional meeting.

The second is a female in sun-greeting pose, either standing or kneeling, but the arms should be raised. Could be as abstract as you like to play with -- in fact, I think abstract might work very well, here -- but the general build should suggest a waifish older teen with minimal breasts.

The third is WinterRat's image of the Paradigm Shift. Can I leave you two, WinterRat and Mister Juan, to try to work this one out together over the week?

Re Alleycat, if we go with the group picture: there's at least a dozen different descriptions floating out there, all of them equally accurate. She is a very youngish-looking elf, and that doesn't change. Four different ways to go here:

1. background her entirely;

2. give her any one of the described "looks" of the text (gah -- I'll spoiler them in here later);

3. go with the built-in tan (cold olive skin almost tinged with blue) high cheekbone look of Natalie Portman or Kiera Knightly (waifish direction), "chopped" mega-short white hair, wiry rather than muscled;

4. or use the look described in the astral quest, which, though still waifish, is quite a bit more mature-looking, dark dark blue eyes, long silver hair, apparently very beautiful, and comes closer to a drow than I care to really think about.

A few cover picture options will be up in about an hour. Pixelation is still an issue, but right now I'm looking for colour feedback. I've also got a few advertisements ready for feedback.
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post Oct 21 2007, 04:25 PM
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Okay, with the sheer numbers and upload/download times I'm running into with a very low-speed connection (yay, dial-up), it's going to be much easier and faster if I just link to a single page with all the links. Here it is:

Book samples

I'll add in other images, advertisements, and book samples as I get to them over the next week.

(Sorry I'm later than expected. Got pulled away.)
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post Oct 21 2007, 10:26 PM
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What about going with orange for the sunset?

Couple thoughts:

- I don't like the lights on the letters (e.g. Cover 5)
- I prefer the title plain (e.g. Cover 6)
- I prefer the title more in the middle of the page (e.g. Cover 1)

Those are a few opinions from yours truly.
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post Oct 22 2007, 01:10 AM
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I'm for the gray or the black covers, although I agree with WinterRat1 that the lights on the title are a no-go. Also, I've got issues with using a Colt M1911 as a picture for a Savalette Guardian, but I don't have the resources to scan in the picture of the Savalette from Fields of Fire. It would probably be more accurate to have either an AMT .44 Magnum, or an HK USP, or even an IMI Desert Eagle as the picture as the Savalette was a large handgun, but a 1911 will do I suppose.
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post Oct 22 2007, 03:03 AM
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Canon Guns:
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post Oct 23 2007, 08:19 PM
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The gold behind the lettering is now gone. Title on cover has to be a bit off-centre, however. Remember, we have to allow for the binding.

Uploading a bunch of images again, including a revised Savalette: check back in a couple of hours. Also, check out the intended back page image before deciding on cover colours, by way of approximate match.
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