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 Jan 10 2005, 09:44 PM
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Manus Celer Dei  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802  |
The Good Old American Know-How is revealed to be just reallocation of knowledge skill points not used on other languages :grinbig:
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Jan 10 2005, 09:46 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 24-July 04 Member No.: 6,512 |
Operative words being should be. I know a number of rather bright people whose command of their native language is less than phenominal. |
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Jan 10 2005, 11:55 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: 24-September 02 From: Centerville, UT Member No.: 3,307 |
It's not terrible to have a hegemonic tongue - it's a big time saver. I think the rules work just fine as writ - 1.5 times your Int gives you a decent command of your native language with possibly working knowledge of another, and if you want more you can always spend knowledge skill points on it. I learned passable Dutch in about 4 months at age 19, so it's definitely not impossible for people over 10 to learn a new language, with a little work. It definitely helps to hear and speak it every day, too. |
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Jan 11 2005, 12:10 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
The example given in the book basicly states that someone with a 2 in Spherethiel needs to make a rol to understand someone who is "babbling". Language rolls should only be required when something makes communication more difficult than is usual. Someone who is not speaking coheriently or distinctly would be more difficult to understand, even for a native speaker. |
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Jan 11 2005, 04:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: 3-January 05 Member No.: 6,925 |
Normally I hate this sort of nitpicking as much as the next guy, but given the subject, I just can't resist.
*nods solemnly* Coherience is of the utmost import in communicating basicly with others. :rotfl: Yes, I make errors just as much as anyone else. It's just the topic, nothing personal. :wobble: |
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Jan 11 2005, 05:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
phe·nom·e·nal adj. Of, relating to, or constituting phenomena or a phenomenon. Extraordinary; outstanding: a phenomenal feat of memory. Philosophy. Known or derived through the senses rather than through the mind. |
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Jan 11 2005, 05:20 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
If he cared how it's spelled, I'm sure he'd have used the spell checker.
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Jan 11 2005, 05:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
Some people apparently can't grasp the irony.........
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Jan 11 2005, 05:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 401 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Living with the straw sheep. Member No.: 2,850 |
Perhaps someone was being ironic?
I've always found the rules for languages in Shadowrun to be a bit...peculiar. The funny thing is that if you apply the same rationale as is often raised on these boards for skills such as Drive then most people don't need to have language skills at all... ie The skill is needed to make tests, and tests are only needed in exceptional circumstances, etc etc. YMMV Since I speak several languages myself, I think the rules make it a bit too hard for characters to be multilingual...but that's a personal prejudice, and I'm well aware that most of my gaming group think I'm a "mutant talk-monkey". (that, apparently, is engineer-speak for 'linguist') |
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Jan 11 2005, 05:29 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Ah, OK. It works if you assume that Joe Outside meant that his language skills are good while others' aren't. I rather not assume such things, because I reserve the right to criticize others in areas where I personally possess no skills at all.
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Jan 11 2005, 06:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 230 Joined: 3-December 04 Member No.: 6,863 |
Look at the main body of Europe today. It is not uncommon for most Europeans to know several languages before they reach adulthood. This is because that Europe is so close together that they can travel across several countries in the time it takes to travel across the state of Texas. Because of this is why I gave the native language skill equal to thier INT. With the diverse new world it made sence to me as well to the rest of our group. |
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Jan 11 2005, 08:15 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 24-July 04 Member No.: 6,512 |
Actually, Solstice caught me on that one. *hangs head in shame* I don't misspell words all that often, so I don't typically use spell check. I like to think that I have an above average command of the english language, so I suppose the irony of the situation is on me. :oops:
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Jan 11 2005, 08:32 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Sure, that may be so, but the fact of the matter remains that if you grow up in a country with such a dim view towards other languages, you (knowingly or not) tend to be given the impression other people have a duty to learn your language, rather than vice versa. The value of english aside, if you travel, english is very useful. You will also find many, many places where people do not speak it. |
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Jan 11 2005, 08:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 870 Joined: 6-January 04 From: Idaho Member No.: 5,960 |
What if you just learned Braile then no matter what country you were in you could get by fine. :grinbig:
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Jan 11 2005, 08:57 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Hmmm, Native languages are free IMO. You get language skill points based on your intelligence, some (not necessarily all, and sometimes not possibly all) are spent on a native language, and others are spent on a second or even third language. And no one said you had to spend all your language skill points if you don't want to.
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Jan 11 2005, 09:02 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Brail is just letters transliterated into bumps in certain patterns. The language used will still pose the obstacle, and typically your R/W will be lower than your verbal.
Also, sign languages are foreign languages with their own words, syntax, grammer, and subleties. There is a reason ASL is "American Sign Language" and not english. In addition there is not a Chinese person or a Turk (etc.) could understand you if they don't have the "spoken" skill of ASL. |
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