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 Jan 17 2005, 07:20 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 13-January 05 From: The Lair Member No.: 6,975  |
New Seattle lists the Renraku Arcology at 1 Renraku Avenue.
Question: where is Renraku Avenue? Here's my guess: From what I can tell given the info in New Seattle and looking at a present-day map of the city, Renraku Avenue seems to be Alaskan Way; which means the arcology (covering 10 blocks on either side and near the Omnidome at Pier 64) probably sits in the area between Alaskan Way along the waterfront, Broad St (to the northwest), Stewart St (to the southeast), and 8th Ave. (to the northeast), is near the Space Needle (and Seattle Center), and takes over Denny Park. But that would mean that the Warwick Hotel and Damian's, for example, are inside the arcology. If you go the other direction, you swallow up hotels (Seattle Hilton and New Square Century, for instance) and some government buildings, (including the Federal Building and Metroplex Hall), not to mention part of I-5. Can someone clarify the location? Thanks. |
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Jan 17 2005, 07:29 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Its and absraction. Where it is depends on what exists in 2050-2065, not necessarily what is there now. If all the places you mentioned are canon locations, then disregard me as I have no books here.
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Jan 17 2005, 07:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519 |
A little-known fact about the Renraku Arcology Shutdown is that immediately prior to the shutdown, Deus changed the Arcology's address worldwide.
Renraku immediately buried this particular fact in its deepest, darkest Red servers; it is one thing to lose your arcology, but it is an entirely different thing when you cannot find your arcology. |
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Jan 17 2005, 08:26 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
How many forums are you going to spam with this exact same question? :D
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Jan 17 2005, 08:34 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
The old Seattle SB features a map who precisely show where is the arcology: between Alaskan Way, Yesler Way, 4th Avenue and South King Street.
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Jan 17 2005, 08:45 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 13-January 05 From: The Lair Member No.: 6,975 |
No spamming meant. Have a run this weekend and since I'm using a present-day map to work from for my players, I figured I'd point out specific places to them. Lend a bit of "authenticity" to our proceedings. Merely trying to get a lay of the land. |
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Jan 17 2005, 08:50 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Note the smiley. :)
I added Nath's answer to the Pub thread you started (with full credit ;)). |
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Jan 17 2005, 08:51 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 13-January 05 From: The Lair Member No.: 6,975 |
Thank you. That's the info I was looking for. Much obliged. |
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Jan 17 2005, 09:10 PM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
Didn't they extend seattle out into the bay, (pile a bunch of drek into the water, and boom, you've got land)
and build it on that? I seem to recall seeing a map overlayed over modern seattle, showing the arc half on land, half on the water... |
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| Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Jan 17 2005, 09:35 PM
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The Seattle SB doesn't say so, but it would make sense in terms of walling off part of the sound to make the aquacology farm, hydroponics farm, and the intertal water supply. Besides that, it would allow them to work with fresh infrastructure instead of having to deal with whatever they had to rip up and out when they dug what had to have been one big goddamn hole for the Arc.
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Jan 18 2005, 01:04 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
An intresting thought, the hydroponics. Worth thinking about...
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Jan 18 2005, 01:07 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Doesn't the Seattle Sourcebook mention that they leveled and expanded Tacoma into the Sound?
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Jan 18 2005, 01:59 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
So if the arcology incorporates part of the sound, then you could potentially infiltrate it via scuba diving.
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Jan 18 2005, 02:11 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
What, using the cooling ducts for the fusion plants? I imagine, since it has several basements, that the entire section that was once water is landfill. |
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| Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Jan 18 2005, 02:31 AM
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Not really. Consider what they did with the WTC (in New York, as there are a lot of buildings called the World Trade Center). They went out into the river, built a retaining wall, pumped out the water, dreged the riverbed for foundation (as opposed to the Pentagon, which was partially made with dirt from the bottom of the Potomac when they ran out of construction materials) and then build your massive arcology on top of what was partly river. With the inclusion of several features designed towards self-sufficiency, they may have moved some of the water in the wet walls until it was contained, which would be easier than pumping god only knows how many gallons of water back into the same space you just evacuated. The water goes to the above-stated measures, plus water for feeding the three fusion reactors in the basement.
In the end there would be intakes into the Sound (which actually might have required two sets of wet walls to construct easily), but: 1) They could be closed off, since that was a selling feature of the Arc that it could be self-sufficient, and 2) they'd be heavily guarded, regardless. All told, it's not hard to imagine why the project dragged on and was as behind schedule as it was. Massive projects, groundbreaking even, have been done on-time and under budget. This, however, was clearly not one of them. |
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Jan 18 2005, 03:31 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
From Renraku Arcology: Shutdown, page 86:
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| Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Jan 18 2005, 04:10 AM
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Oops.
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Jan 18 2005, 05:08 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
So, you would have to use magnetic gloves or pitons or something to pull yourself in. Doesn't mention the parts that take water in, though. I imagine you could use an underwater welder to get through grates, assuming the pipes are big enough for you to enter to begin with, which they probably would be.
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Jan 18 2005, 05:10 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Which, going by the quote, would presumably be guarded as well. Though I have no idea why that would not hold for both directions. |
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Jan 18 2005, 08:26 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Maybe they figure that the current is strong enough to stop people getting in the outflow pipes? If it's pumped out under pressure, that coupled with some low level security devices migh be considered enough. |
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| Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Jan 18 2005, 10:19 PM
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That coupled with the fact that "unrecyclable water" generally translates into, IMO, a high-speed torrent of liquid shit and toxic waste.
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Jan 19 2005, 02:24 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Pub thread? |
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Jan 19 2005, 02:57 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The Shadowrun Pub. There is not much in the way of actual shadowrun discussion there though. The core members have all known each other for a few years, and they pretty much make up 98% of the posts with lounge-like chatter and in-jokes. |
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Jan 19 2005, 06:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 26-February 02 From: UCAS Member No.: 1,015 |
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