Earthdawn To Shadowrun, Who's still here? Options

[booklord]

Thought I'd just stir up this conversation once again.....

Starting with dragons.........

sure things.....

Mountainshadow -> Dunklezahn
IceWing -> Ghostwalker
Alamaise -> Alamais
Alamaise's brother ->Lofwyr
Usun -> Sirrurg

theories......

Charcoalgrin -> Hestaby
Nightsky -> Celedwyr ( having grown more silver )
(Egg Nightsky gave to Earthroot [ Who was an Eastern dragon]) -> Masaru

What do you think?
Also does anybody feel up to doing immortal elves?

[Ancient History]

At the very least:

Caimbeul Har'lea'Quinn->Harlequin
Ehran->Ehran
Aithne Oakforest->Aithne Oakforest
Aina->Aina Dupree
Queen Alachia->Alachia (Sosan Nearain?)

Other Elven Queen->Jenna Ni'Fairra(?)
Leonardus->Leonardo(?)

The Others havenae been mentioned by name, and there's still some confusion to the matter and exact identities.

[Lilt]

Mentioned in the unpublished earthdawn dragons book; I'm guessing Luung is now Lung (wild projection on my part).

Also was in not strongly suggested in Dot6W that the eggs of the sea dragon were given to Hestaby?

[edit]OK. I'm assuming on that last part that the egg given was one of the sea-dragon's clutch...[/edit]

[Connor]

In Dot6W, Masaru is clearly labeled as the youngest of the Great's, so I doubt he was one of the greats from back in the Earthdawn days. That or he attained Geat status just before napping.

[booklord]

[Connor]

booklord, spelling it out like that it's pretty hard to argue with you about it. I think I'll have to agree with that theory on Masaru now.

[Ancient History]

I wonder if now we be a good time to re-introduce the Alamaise COnspiracy?

[Connor]

It will have to be introduced on the new boards at some point, right? Might as well take advantage of the opportunity now.

[Talondel]

[The_Sarge]

Cheapskate Tir sarariman! :D

[Userlimit]

[Solkari]

IIRC, Jenna Ni'Fairra is Alachia's daughter, so of course there would be some resemblance. Alachia's pretty high up in the government of Tir na Nog, probably trying to take the throne. Ni'Fairra is a Prince in Tir Tairngire. Looking back thought SoNA, it seems possible that Sosan is Alachia, but I didn't think Alachia cared too much about Tairngire.

[edit] Oh yeah, forgot one thing, I'm pretty sure that Alachia is the Blood Queen, which is why she cares more about Na Nog than Tairngire.

[Userlimit]

I need to learn not to contest ancient history, heh. :grinbig:

[Ancient History]

Alachia and Jenna look very much alike, except for coloring (according to the Caroline Spector novel). Alachia we know was a Queen (and Blood Queen) of Wyrm Wood/Blood Wood at least once. It is not impossible that Jenna could have been a Queen or might be a Blood Queen.

[Dog]

Hey, can anyone point me to a site where I can glean more background on ED? I have no intention of playing the game, but I'd like to use the references to the fourth world.

[Talondel]

Y'know, there's nothing [I]wrong[I] with Earthdawn itself. Rules-wise and system-wise, I actually like it better than Shadowrun for ease of play, and better than D&D for a fantasy game.

It's good stuff, and good for a lot more than just the setting tie-ins.

[Ancient History]

Dog, look for something with the Dragon.pdf That should dae ye for starters.

[SCLariat]

Alachia has nothing to do with Tir Na Nog, but everything to do with Tir Tairngire. Tir Na Nog is the ancient elf kingdom of Shoshara who rejected Alachia's decision to construct a wooden kaer before the Scourge the proceeded the Fourth World. For those without a Earthdawn background, magic is cyclical. When the magic rises to the right amount, creatures called "The Horrors" swarm through and reak havoc. (If you read the "Heart of Heroes" series of SR novels, that's what the hubbub was all about.) In times past, metahumanity has sought the protection of magical fortresses called kaers in order to survive. The kaers themselves are not fullproof, but they represent the best opportunity to survive.

The Therans (the Atlanteans) figured out a way to make cares involved a specific set of enchantments that was adopted by most of the known world except for the High Queen of the Elves, Alachia. Alachia, in an act of paramount folly, rejected the Theran formulas and elected to construct a kaer consisting of the wood of the Wyrm Wood, a magically enhanced forrest first created by Alamais, the great dragon. Alachia also commanded all other elves to reject the Theran kaers and follow her example. All of the other elven kingdoms, led by Shoshara (Harlequin's home), rejected Alachia's plan, thereby destroying Alachia's power as High Queen. Midway during the Scourge, the wooden kaer began to fail. In order to save themselves, Alachia and her followers cast a ritual spell which warps the Wyrm Wood into the Blood Wood and every elf received flesh thorns, similiar to the thorns on roses. Many of the Blood Wood elves died during the rituals, and the survivors suffer constant and intense agony. The Horrors, unable to inflict any more suffering and agony then elves have inflicted upon themselves, leave the survivors alone. That is why Aithne Oakforest reacts the way he does to the sight of rose bushes. The elves behind TT are the survivors of the Blood Wood; the elves of TNN are the elves who rejected Alachia's plan.

As you can see, this is just one part of the overall story of Earthdawn. While the games system can be a bit clumsy, Living Room Games has done a good job of speeding things up. The ED/SR cross over is a good way to do "epic" shadowrun. I've run one campaign in the past with a heavy ED/SR cross over, and I've just started another. To me, its the ED/SR crossover which makes SR different from the other games in the same genre (Cyberpunk, etc.).

I find Earthdawn to be a lot of fun, moreso than D&D. In D&D, its all about stuff and feats. For the most part, the fighter types tend to me superflous after the wizards and clerics reach 11th level or so. However, Earthdawn does not suffer from these problems. For example, my Earthdawn character (that I've been playing almost weekly for the better part of four years) is still using the same weapon in which he started the game with.

You can find some of used Earthdawn books on places like eBay.com . I've also found them in the stack of stuff gaming stores are usually happy to get rid off at their stores/cons. They're usually pretty cheap to buy, but I find them to be a huge help.

[Sepherim]

[Reth]

Concerning TT and TNN, i'm not sure it is so cut and dried as to say, that the elves that formed TT are the survivors of Blood Wood, while the elves that formed TNN are the elves that rejected Alachias plan. Clearly Alachia, Jenna Ni'Fairra and Aithne Oakforest can be placed in Blood Wood, but Ehran, Laverty and Surehand cannot, actually as far as i understand it Ehran is from Sereatha like Harley. As far as we have been told in sourcebooks and novels TT was the brainchild of the four male IE's with Ehran actually doing most of the work, thus only one of the "founders" of TT has a clear relation to Blood Wood. How Alachia and Jenna managed to worm onto the council of princes is something we have not been told. As regards TNN then culturally speaking TNN is Blood Wood, with the paths, the seelie court and the elven queen or rather TNN is Wyrm Wood before it became Blood Wood. Now it is clearly indicated in several sources that many elves were disgusted with what Alachia made Wyrm Wood into, therefore it would make sense to assume that TNN is the recreation of Wyrm Wood, as it was supposed to have been. This however indicates that TNN was formed by at least some suvivors of Blood Wood and this time they made sure that Alachia did not get the throne, even though she has managed to worm herself into Lady Brane Deighs favor. It seems like that Alachia in collusion with her darling daughter is working both sides of the pond, maybe in a long sighted bid to reestablish the authority of the elven queen in all elven lands and then swoop in and take the throne again. All in all IMO the relationship between TT and Blood Wood is quite insubstantial and only survivors of Blood Wood have found a place there simply because they are not wanted in TNN ( Oakforest is problaly tarnished since he was the queens man or else he just did'nt want any part of a new Wyrm Wood, he certainly does'nt seem to take kindly to being reminded of the things he has lost ). Galadriel with an evil twist BRRrr.

[Ancient History]

Yeah, time to dig out the Alamaise Conspiracy. If only to givee a different interpretation to SCLariat. Unfortunately, I've yet to take Dragons of the Sixth World intoa ccount...

[Dr Komuso]

If I remember my Earthdawn history right (And maybe I don't :spin: ), wasn't it the dwarves who built/designed the kaers? Even if so, I'm fairly sure there's no mention of this in any Shadowrun product whatsoever, so maybe there's no relation.

Actually, is there any mention at ALL of what other races were doing during those times in any SR products? Honestly, SR's elfocentric histories always bugged me, and though the current developers seem to be moving away from this somewhat it's still jams in ones craw. While the idea of certain power hungry elves mixing myth and history to create an illusion of age to their culture is an interesting one, I'd really like to see some indication of other races rising to take back some of their ancient heritage.

Or maybe I'm just crazy. :silly:

[Ancient History]

More like dracocentric history, but the thing is that you can't reclaim a heritage you don't know exists.

That said, there's the Troll Kingdom of the Black Forest, a couple of dwarven settlements, the Ork Underground in Seattle, the ancient Ork language may start gaining popularity since Dunkie gave out a sample in his Will, and I'm sure there's more.

The Kaers were of Theran design.

[phelious fogg]

So who are the Therans in ralation to shadowrun?
I wonder if Obsidimen are ever going to awaken from there rocks?
Anyways food for thought

[Reth]

Perhaps it will eventually be the Atlantean Foundation that will establish the new Thera, perhaps Sheila Blatavska is actually one of the original "usurpers"