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 Jan 26 2005, 10:41 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277  |
They did have those plans. I seem to recall that the powers that be scrapped them because it was just about the stupidest idea ever, though, so I don't know whether it's a good arguement for ice bullets. |
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Jan 26 2005, 10:51 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Project Habbakuk, insanely large island-ships made out of Pykrete. It might not be much more stupid than the recently uncovered Gay Bomb, but that's still sufficiently stupid to never have went into production.
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Jan 26 2005, 10:54 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
I did not say it was a smart idea. I said it was an idea. But as I was told from a few people I trust it was scraped because other means were working well enough. But again that is not the point.
The point is that water,plus something else can make harder ice. It is not that this ice should be used to make warships. |
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Jan 26 2005, 10:58 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
The problem is it's not the hardness that makes it suck, a lot of it is the lack of density.
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Jan 26 2005, 11:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 565 Joined: 7-January 04 Member No.: 5,965 |
Plasteel bullets seems very plausible.
There is a metal (saw this on cable... discovery? cant recall) that disolves in water. they use it as a spacer between pipes during welding (pipe inside another pipe). You could make a gun out of the material, and have the entire gun disolve. (not usefull if you get it wet by accident). So... lets say i have a gun made of plasteel 7. If i need to ditch it fast, just use the catalyst, and goodbye evidence. normal bullets from a gun that dosent exist are better than magic bullets from a normal gun. Forensics will only link to a gun... and they need to find the gun, and compare. |
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Jan 26 2005, 11:19 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,362 Joined: 3-October 03 From: Poway, San Diego County, CA, USA Member No.: 5,676 |
As a criminal justice student who has studied a bit of forensics, I have fun occasionaly watching CSI and laughing at it. Was there really an episode with a frozen meat bullet? That sort of reminds me of the US Air Force expiriments with bird-proof windshields.
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Jan 26 2005, 11:30 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
What the fuck would be the advantage to an ice ship? |
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Jan 26 2005, 11:34 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Read the article that Austere Emancipator links.
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Jan 26 2005, 11:36 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Well, if you read the linked article you'd know that it's a LOT cooler than it sounds. It's torpedo proof, and naturally buoyant so it can be pretty much any size. You really just can't sink it. It's also really cheap. It also takes almost no power to stop it from melting, and can be repaired in about no time flat with virtually no materials. |
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Jan 26 2005, 11:39 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Actually, I think I have an awesome idea for underwater arcologies...
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Jan 27 2005, 01:24 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
No pun intended. ;)
If its PbP, sign me up! :) |
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Jan 27 2005, 06:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
The catalyst doesn't dissolve plasteel 7, it temporarily turns it into a gummy, mallable substance. So I suppose you could use it on the gun, wad it up, then stick it to the bottom of someone's chair. An ice ship could be cool, except for one problem. Heat. Unless it relies on natural propulsion, you're going to have a hell of a time making sure that neither friction, exhaust, or any other signifigant heat sources melt the engine room. There will also be a temprature threshold at which the whole ship falls apart, so you need to stay south of that. Finally, even if the air is cool enough, warm water currents could really mess you up. Referring back to the gel bullets discussions, y'know, I never really thought about the lack of size. Whenever I pictured someone taking a gel shot, the round had always turned into a big green bullet shaped thing by the time it hit something, so I'd forget that it was fired from a 9mm pistol. |
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Jan 27 2005, 06:13 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Regardless, the gun will no longer be remotely matchable with the bullet. It might not even be identifiable as a gun anymore.
~J |
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Jan 27 2005, 12:30 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
I was just thinking about the amusement value of treating guns like old chewing gum. If you really want to mess it up, lace it with some strawberry flavoring and give it to your local none to bright troll. Just make sure you get it back before it gets too 'old.'
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Jan 27 2005, 05:21 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Please read the linked story, Ice in the form that theyt are talking about really doesn't melt rapidly at all. A brick of it sant in a lake over a year unassisted before it melted.
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Jan 27 2005, 07:01 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Betcha I could melt it, gimme some napalm. 8)
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Jan 27 2005, 11:05 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Ok, even if it kind of effective...its a ship. Made of Ice. The concept is just so goddamn ridiculous.
Why don't we just start wearing meat hats and driving cheese cars? And wouldn't the sailors all be really cold and miserable all the time? |
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Jan 27 2005, 11:11 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
The best part of that article is where they mention that the Icy Battlewagon can shoot its special ice-freezing gun pump things and freeze shut the hatches on other ships, or give sailors hypothermia.
That's all well and good, but I'll take hypotherma over an 18" shell any goddamn day of the week. |
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Jan 27 2005, 11:13 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Funny thing is after doing some research, as stupid as it sounds it's actually a very sound idea. It's attitudes like that that actually kill decent scientific investigation. Remember murphy's laws of combat. If a stupid idea works, then it isn't a stupid idea. [EDIT] and no, the people on the ship would notice no real difference. It ended up as much like an island than a ship with the structures built in and insulated. |
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Jan 27 2005, 11:21 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Mobility would be the number one issue, I think. Floating islands aren't all that useful. In a WW2-setting it would kind of work as a floating airport-island, but these days it'd be useless. Modern firepower can make short work of a ship of any size, and a floating airport isn't needed since all kinds of air missions can be launched from much smaller, far faster carriers.
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Jan 27 2005, 11:34 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Today yes, but in WW2 it was a floating base op with a runway long enough to put full fledged bombers on... Which at the time was VERY appealing.
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Jan 28 2005, 12:03 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I think Pykrete would make excellent walls in an arctic base (slow the melt from heating) and armor on an underwater arcology because it wouldn't be adding pressure.
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Jan 28 2005, 12:10 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Actually the aquacology would probably work damn well, except ice expands when it freezes, and ice melts when it compresses, there may be an issue keeping ice under very high pressures without it liquifying.
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Jan 28 2005, 12:12 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Curses. There goes my ice palace... I know! I'll dikote the ice!
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Jan 28 2005, 12:17 AM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
But can you have se...oh, never mind. :D |
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