 HMHVV, What would happen.... |
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 Jan 29 2005, 07:26 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 19-September 04 From: Charleston, IL Member No.: 6,676  |
I was thinking about an upcoming campaigne I am in and was wondering what would happen if a blood shaman used a vampire for his materials when creating a blood spirit. Would the spirit continue to spread the virus? Would the spirit get any special abilities in your game from accomplishing such a feat? What effects do Shedim and Master Shedim have if they take over a dead vampire body?
What do you think? Any other possibilities? |
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Jan 29 2005, 08:06 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Do vampires leave bodies? But I imagine their blood is as powerful as they are (essence wise) and therefore would be very potent in creating blood spirits or such dark magics. Also, I would allow (can't recall blood spirit powers atm) a blood spirit to take vampire powers (increased strength) using the channeling metamagic customized for them. I wonder if a vampire channeling a blood spirit has double the Essence Drain power?
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Jan 29 2005, 09:29 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
only if they also take double the Essence Loss.
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Jan 29 2005, 09:36 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I wonder if an adept vampire can combine Distance Strike with Essence Drain... A magician's adept channeling a blood spirit using Distance Strike...
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Jan 29 2005, 09:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
Essence Drain has never been explained beyond the fact that it takes minutes of time and a willing or helpeless victim. Those two qualifiers probably disqualify being able to do it via melee attacks. Shadowrun vampires do not have energy draining slam attacks.
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Jan 29 2005, 10:05 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
It also requires an emotional bond of some sort. The victim must feel some strong emotion for the Vampire. Lust, fear, and anger work fairly well.
A victim that is indifferent to the vampire can't be drained. There is also temperory essence drain, which lasts for 1 combat turn per point of base essence. It only requires an opposed essence vs willpower test. However, Temperory essence drain isn't fatal and isn't normally available to vampires. |
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Jan 29 2005, 11:20 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
That means sleeping people are probably not fair game. However, you're not likely to remain indifferent if they wake you up and start biting you.
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Jan 30 2005, 01:36 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 76 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Wherever injustice thrives! Member No.: 2,314 |
I just got finished boning up on this very subject. I don't have the blood magic rules in front of me, but I believe the canon response would be that a Vampire adds nothing special to a blood spirit summoning. Awakened sacrifices in general add more than mundane do, but there are no hard and fast rules for specific critters. I do not recall anything about the essense of the vic playing a part.
Better to sacrifice a devil rat and save the Vamp for other purposes... or make up a house rule :) |
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Jan 30 2005, 02:33 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
pshaw. get a vamp full up on essence, then sacrifice him. that's one nasty blood spirit, just in terms of force.
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Jan 30 2005, 03:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 19-September 04 From: Charleston, IL Member No.: 6,676 |
Well....I was wondering because if the blood spirit got bonuses...and the blood mage channeled the blood spirit....what would be the effects of the channeling there? It really does depend on what bonuses the blood spirit received. IIRC, in second edition (or maybe first) vampires also got a bonus to their physical stats based off of the essence or something like that, but SR3 really didn't touch much on that. Also, would channeling the blood spirit give you the virus?
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Jan 30 2005, 07:02 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 76 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Wherever injustice thrives! Member No.: 2,314 |
To the best of my knowledge (which is admittedly limited and... less than fresh), victim essense does not have a direct relationship to the force of a conjured blood spirit. <shrug>
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Jan 30 2005, 04:34 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
the HMHVV would not carry to the blood spirit. the virus is just that, a biological entity. Awakened but still living. The spirit isn't really made of the blood but the blood is symbolic of the design. So sacrificing a vampire is giving an awakened creature, potentially with a high essence to the creature, but doens't create a vampiric spirit.
As for essence drain, it's easy to get strong emotion, just have the vamp beat on you, that should get you anger and/or fearful |
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Jan 30 2005, 04:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 139 Joined: 19-September 04 From: Charleston, IL Member No.: 6,676 |
That's funny. Last I heard virii weren't living at all. Maybe I'm behind on the times.
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Jan 30 2005, 06:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 152 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,785 |
That's been an object of debate for a while. I think "not living" still has the majority. |
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Jan 30 2005, 06:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
It would create a reverse warp in the space-time continuum and we'd all be blasted out of the time stream. It would be as if we never existed and the world would be governed by damn dirty apes. |
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Jan 30 2005, 06:34 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
They have auras and can be Awakened, so in Shadowrun at least they're clearly living. ~J |
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Jan 30 2005, 06:38 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it's still being debated whether or not they're alive. there are strong arguments for both sides.
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Jan 30 2005, 07:32 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Hell, you can say the same thing about certain minerals. |
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Jan 30 2005, 07:39 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
With only proves that minerals are alive, as well.Just because they can't talk doesn't mean they don't have feelings.
Minning is murder! |
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Jan 31 2005, 03:28 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
English Nazi note: "Virii" is not a word. The proper pluralization of "virus" is "viruses."
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Jan 31 2005, 06:02 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
English Nazi counternote: no, it isn't. "Virus" has no plural, either in English or in Latin.
~J |
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Jan 31 2005, 04:42 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
I stand corrected.
"Virus" is the plural of "virus." "I'll take two fish with a side order of virus, please!" |
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Jan 31 2005, 06:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 486 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Fomorian Wastes Member No.: 6,538 |
Whose English exactly? American Dictionaries Yahoo maybe? or maybe this link. It is correct that virus does not have a different plural form in Latin as it is in the fourth declension (was not a thing that was countable, ie. air) and not second, but we are not using classical latin. Both German and English speakers have taken the word from Latin and applied pluralisation because it is now a countable thing, notably French and Italian haven't. Then comes the usage of virus pertaining to computer programs, where it is definately a countable thing and common usage has defined the plural form. The Oxford ENGLISH Dictionary lists it as viruses, and that IMHO is what counts. English is defined by common usage, it always has and always will and is a reason why the British laugh their tits off when we hear an American say "Burglarization" instead of "Burglary". |
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Jan 31 2005, 06:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 10-February 04 Member No.: 6,068 |
Uhhhh... I've been American for 32 years, I'm extremely well read and emersed in Pop Culture to boot, and I've never seen or heard the word "Burglarization" before this very post. I know of no Americans who would not use "Burglary" as the noun. I'm sure there are lots of things that Americans might say or do to make a Brit laugh their tits off, but that is the nuttiest thing I've ever heard. |
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Jan 31 2005, 06:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 486 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Fomorian Wastes Member No.: 6,538 |
Not been listening to your president or those horrible generic American's Most xxx?
Almost every time the activity of burgulary is mentioned in the UK, by an American the word "burgularization" is used. "Burgularization" was the only and correct form around the time of the formation/separation of USA from Britain, we dropped it favour of a word that is easier to say and spell. Perhaps yourself and those around you have also taken this approach. |
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