 The Indestructable Leopard III, Call in the big guns... |
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 Feb 9 2005, 03:31 AM
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Beetle Eater  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826  |
You don't have to. I provided an equally resonable counter to you method. Nor do I have to point to a canon mention to say it is a reasonable defense.
Sort of not really close enough: before Cal-Free used magic in their army and was proof that such counters were needed to fight Awakened armies. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:32 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Well, unless it states that the thing comes with FAB or a Ward...it doesn't. There are lots of pistols that don't state it comes with a SL. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:35 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Who the frag said "comes with"? Try outfitted with by the parties responsible for owing and running it.
Let me put it this way: You elemental attack is a valid method against those who don't bother to spend 100 to 1000 nuyen protecting a multimillion dollar investment. I just don't see many mercenary groups being that foolish after the lessons learned in Cal-Free, Brazil, and so on. This post has been edited by Kanada Ten: Feb 9 2005, 03:39 AM |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:38 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
i don't see any modern army being short-sighted enough to not ward their tanks.
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Feb 9 2005, 03:42 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 28 Joined: 21-January 05 Member No.: 7,005 |
Even a good group of runners does not hesitate to ward their vehicles. My group learned this the hard way a few years back. The rigger had a Ford Bison decked out with hardened armor and the group was taking cover inside from a ton of small arms fire. What they never expected was the earth elemental that was patrolling to materialize inside the cabin. At least one of them nearly died due to this blunder before a PhysAd successfully fought it off. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:42 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
No, you provided a smartassed "opps" comment. That was out of context. Which is fine. Once you get past the "opps" it does make sense. But since the description says nothing about FAB or Wards I see no reason to assume that those defenses are anything more than after market add ons. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:43 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Page reference? Like I've said, it makes sense but there's nothing in print that say so. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:47 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
:rotfl: YOU'RE WRONG IF YOU DON'T THINK I'M 100% SERIOUS ABOUT THE DRONE COMMENT. On topic and whatever.
Never said otherwise. Of course, the description doesn't include a crew either, so I assume it never has one. :S |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:53 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
We're obviously not talking about coming out of the factory with FAB or a ward, which is what all the descriptions of book vehicles represent. We're talking about practical application. It doesn't also say that most TIR ghosts wear underwear but I'll wager they do. |
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Feb 9 2005, 03:58 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Did I piss you off or something? I don't know why we're playing "is so--is not."
You don't have to assume. Frosty asked about his PCs getting one. I assumed the rigger was in it. If not, the elemental trashes all of the controls and the tank sits there. Done. Maybe the PCs boosted the thing before it got to the FABing. I don't know, I was just trying to help.
Did you just call me dumb? Shame on you. You know that we DSers NEVER insult the person, just the idea. ;) |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:02 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
:proof:
I was answering the initial post. The thread (as always) drifted away from that. |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:04 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I prefaced it with "I hope I get banned" and a bunch of other expletives. But as you can see I recanted.
In theory, the controls are covered by the armor or barrier ratings (and was the specified in the command?), but whatever.
What do you think I was trying to do? |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:12 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Bear in mind, it doesn't "Come with" the railgun either. Oh and there's no problem here with topic drift, this is good stuff. :wobble: |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:12 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Um, is so! Controls come with armor? Facinating. So if I shoot the steering wheel of a City Master I have to overcome the armor? And that is which book? |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:14 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
By canon, the controls do come with armor :P
Or if you'd prefer, tell me where it says armor rating is different depending on where the attack comes from. ~J |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:15 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Anybody find out if great form Earth elementals have the shape earth power?
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Feb 9 2005, 04:16 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I assumed you meant the "remote controls", ie the ones inside the panels which have barrier ratings and can be armored. But all attacks directed at a vehicle are made against the vehicle, even those from the inside... Obviously, we can go crazy here, but I default to barrier rules.
You're going to call the shot to the steering wheel? Does the Power exceed double the Armor? |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:16 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Where does it say that? |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:18 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
For this debate, yes. :) |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:19 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
kevyn, it's an intelligent tactic. it's perfectly reasonable to assume that any military force will use intelligent tactics, unless something to the opposite effect is stated.
and if you're going to go by canon, then yes--the controls are armored, because it never states in the description of vehicle armor what the armor does and doesn't cover. |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:20 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Where it says "all attacks not considered anti-vehicle directed at a vehicle must have a base Power exceeding double the vehicle's Armor rating and have their damage reduced by 1/2 Power and inflict one lower level of Damage" Paraphrased.
As I said, I default to barrier ratings. |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:27 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
You're asking me where it says vehicles are armored? On the contrary, if you want to tell me that some part of a vehicle isn't armored, you tell me where it says that. ~J |
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Feb 9 2005, 04:30 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
I guess we have an aswer then. Save up and buy the Leopard III. It may take a little longer to get there but no one will ever be able to stop you. Its a smuggler's dream. :)
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Feb 9 2005, 04:34 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Edit: Nevermind.
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Feb 9 2005, 04:40 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
According to R3 Aztlan puts railguns on light patrol vehicles. And then there's illusion magic. And sabotage. And then there is the eventual defeat of the ward and defense systems. And... oh, right, you were being facetious. |
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