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[badmudderfugger]

I was looking at the Full-Auto rules on pg 115 of SR3 and I have a question for the DS regulars.

How many dice does Wedge the street samurai (the dude from the sample combat) roll in his attack?

To quickly sum up, he shoots three gangers each with a full-auto burst of 3, 3 and 4 respectively.

I understand the way the target numbers are generated for the attacks, but what I'm unclear on is how many dice he rolls for each.

I figure that his combat pool remains the same and doesn't refresh until the beginning of the next round, but I don't know if he has to divide his skill dice between the three seperate attacks or if he gets to apply the full skill rating to each burst.

Cheers!

[Edward]

He will be rolling 3 attacks, one at each ganger.

Each attack will use his full skill plus any combat pool,

Combat pool will refresh when initiative is rolled again.

Edward

[badmudderfugger]

Thanks Edward.

Just to clarify too; it all counts as one Complex Action, yes?

[tisoz]

Yes, firing FA is a complex action.

[Edward]

It also assumes they are all close enough together.

Edward

[Nikoli]

Or it's a smartlinked weapon

[Link]

We changed the +2 per additional target modifier to +1 per additional target (ie. after the first) fired at in that phase and applied equally to all targets.

This has roughly the same result and can speed things up by only rolling once (at least the skill dice) and reusing the results, often at the same TN.

EG: 3 targets from autofire would all have a +2 to the TN. It sort of makes sense to even the TN out - the rounds are sprayed about rather than at primary /secondary /tertiary targets

[James McMurray]

If you have a smartlink the rounds are fired at targets rather than spraying.

[GrinderTheTroll]

[Grimtooth]

Recoil penalties stack up depending on the number of rounds fired at the point of calculation.

10 rd burst

3 to the first ganger
3 to the second
4 to the third

gun has 3pts of recoil

shot at ganger 1 imposes no penalty
shot at ganger 2 imposes +3 penalty (6-3=3)
shot at ganger 3 imposes +7 penalty (10 - 3 = 7)

Right?

[BitBasher]

Really, if you spray you don't hit squat. You have to aim, and SR assumes you do. The +2 per target is actually a little on the low side IMHO.

Don't believe what you see in movies, if you spray you stand an excellent chance of hitting nothing at all.

EDIT: and correct Grimtooth.

[Grimtooth]

And all that w/o a book

BTW BMF thanks for clearing that one up for me too. I've read and reread that section wondering just how many dice rolls were involved.

I always end up going back to 2nd edition rule and use the 1 roll with big TN's

[BitBasher]

Er, 3rd edition works the same as second edition for burst fire....

[Grimtooth]

So only 1 roll?

not 3 individual rolls?

[BitBasher]

[badmudderfugger]

Ok, I have it straight in my head now.

Thanks all for the help!

[Grimtooth]

BB are you sure?

I thought 2nd edition FA rules were like the rules for the monowhip.

1 roll with TN's figured as you moved through the targets.

I'm still confused.

[BitBasher]

Ah, the monowhip doesn't work that way either, you still roll a different attack test for each melee target you wish to engage. Just the same as every other melee weapon or attack. That was also the same between 2nd and 3rd edition. It works that way in both of them.

I'm pretty much positive about this, yes.

[Grimtooth]

:eek:

my players are gonna hate me

[BitBasher]