 [SoA2064] Virtuoso, How did this get overlooked |
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 Feb 25 2005, 03:01 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650  |
Okay here's the numbers
Artistic skill 10 in flute carving 10 levels of IA in that skill 10 spare karma karma pool 3 he can get 5-6 successes in his virtuoso test and spend 10 karma to make this damn thing a rating 10 Virtuoso flute which becomes a rating 10 manawarp in the flute's local area that is a bloody aspected toward the user Screw power foci for magician adepts Did anyone else choke on this? |
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Feb 25 2005, 03:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 494 Joined: 19-February 05 From: Amazonia Member No.: 7,102 |
my copy didn't arrive yet =(
but, it seems pretty cool. |
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Feb 25 2005, 03:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 179 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 381 |
Probably not. The rules aren't meant to be tweaked, they are meant to be used in the game. |
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Feb 25 2005, 04:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Without tweaking a force 4-5 power focus is possible that costs 10 karma, and also provides background count to everybody else in the area
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Feb 25 2005, 11:57 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
You forgot to Center first. Creative Skill Flute Carving.
But personally, I am not impressed. To have 10 levels of IA in a skill is to be Magic 10 and having spent 5 PPs on the IA and that is a Grade 4 Initiate. I would think the ability to generate such a Background count is par for course for a Grade 4. |
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Feb 26 2005, 12:02 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
You'd consider it normal for Grade 4 Initiates to instantly kill/destroy all but the most powerful (Force 70+) and the luckiest astral forms in your vicinity without any effort on your part? (This is not a critique of the actual rules, since I do not own SoTA64.) |
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Feb 26 2005, 12:07 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
hm. i'll have to check the rules tonight--i'm pretty sure there's a limit of 5 on the amount of background count these can create.
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Feb 26 2005, 12:15 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Actually, it would only be 2.5 Power Points, as each level in IA: Artistic Skill costs .25. |
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Feb 26 2005, 12:33 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Forgot IA artistic skills are also 0.25 PP. You know if it is a Rating 10 physical Virtuso piece, it would be a target? |
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Feb 26 2005, 01:39 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
That's pretty cool. Anti-Magic fields here we come!
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Feb 26 2005, 02:15 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
I wonder what would happen when 2 virtusoes do their things? Or what would happen if the virtuso piece was brought to another area with background count?
Hey! Wouldn't it mean instant kaput CZs? Cool, Kremlin! You've just invented the CZ repellant! |
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Feb 26 2005, 09:22 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 29-January 05 From: San Diego, California Member No.: 7,032 |
Why do I invision an orc adept with a Break dancing Virtuso piece and Improved Abillity in Breakdancing/popin' n' Lockin' 5/7(10) and after using said ability to mesmerise a Security force say something like " You got served!" uhg ....
*Openes up NSRCG3* :rollin: |
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Feb 26 2005, 07:54 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Then the Steel Lynx opens fire... |
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Feb 27 2005, 01:08 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
And the bullets smack into a Force 18 Physical Barrier.
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Feb 27 2005, 01:16 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
The dude is too busy performing to sustain a spell of any type. *grin* And this would assume the guy is a Magician's Way adept rather than a simple Artist adept. |
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Feb 27 2005, 01:21 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Sustaining Focus
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Feb 27 2005, 03:00 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 29-January 05 From: San Diego, California Member No.: 7,032 |
Nah he has the Geasa of Movement and Verbal on his magic power ability so the force 18 Physical Barrier spell is accompanied by him doing the Chinese typewriter and saying something like "Can't touch this!" |
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Feb 27 2005, 04:35 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
A few balances to this that I noticed were: it takes 1 month of time to create the virtuoso piece/compose the physical performance. Physical pieces (carved flute, musical score, dance step routines) count as a material link to the creator, and even for physical ones you must spend a month creating the routine.
Also, due to the wording of the virtuoso: "This Background Count is aspected to the creator adept and does not interfere with him." Doesn't mean he gets it beneficial to him. Just it doesn't affect him negatively. So he can run around with a 10 background count, and use his magic as normal, while everyone else is an effective -10 to magic and so one, its not much, but a little bit better. |
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Mar 4 2005, 08:32 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,664 Joined: 21-September 04 From: Arvada, CO Member No.: 6,686 |
On the other hand, with 10 successes, I noticed it only takes 45 minutes to create the piece... but being a walking -12 to magic might piss a few magicians off.
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Mar 4 2005, 10:21 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
It really needs to be errata'ed to limit the maximum Background Count to 5, similar to the Astral Static spell.
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Mar 5 2005, 04:45 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
What is the area of effect/ range of the background count? Is it only going to apply to spells cast at the person carrying the item, or anyone in the immediate vicinity? Basically, how far does the background count extend?
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Mar 5 2005, 03:09 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
There is no canon rule to determine the background count, you might rule that the Background count is only big enough to affect the adept(while you may not be wrong, the wording in SOTA 2064 implies it affects more than just the adept). The problem is in the variable nature of the way virtuso can be used. If it is an static art piece, perhaps it only affects the room in which it is displayed. If it is like a dance piece, it might affect the whole hall. If it is an open air performance, a case could be made that it affects everyone that can see it.
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Mar 5 2005, 11:10 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
They should start posting some FAQ info on the 206x books.
'Course then we'll just yell at them for that too most likely. |
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