Munchkin channeling?, I really hope I missed something! Options

[Bandwidthoracle]

Ok, we where joking after a session and we came up with this.
Mage learns channeling, and mage has a trama dampner installed.
Mage summons at the maximum force he can, uses the karma rule to get one successes. He botches the resistence test, but it dosen't matter because the trama dampener keeps him awake, (one box of deadly will transfer to stun). He has his accomplise heal him, waits 15 Min, and channels the spirit, suddenly he's a demi-god.

Is there something to prevent my little horror story from happining?

[sidartha]

Yea.
After 12 hours of your little Demi-God running around Ghoastwalker will step on him.
Other than that.......Not much ;)

[SirKalamon]

I believe the karma rules indicate that one must achieve atleast one success on the test before one can use the burn a point of karma for an extra success, but then again it is burning a point for it,or simply reroll failures but that doesnt garrountee anything anyways.The best bet is probably to be a mage to store the services away for later use because when one is dealing with TN's that high one will not get that many successes no matter how much karma one spends.

[Bandwidthoracle]

[toturi]

Perhaps p162 SR3 can help you.

[Bandwidthoracle]

[Fortune]

There's also a time limit on how long the mage can channel the Spirit.

[Endgame50]

Living up to that book ninja title I see. *grin*

Good catch though!

[Sandoval Smith]

In regards to your sig, I actually prefer the previous line, where Fighter exclaims, "With gravity slain, now we can fly!"

Anyway, if the intervening fifteen minutes are filled with people shooting at them, it might be a problem holding out till that point. Also, you can't magically heal drain, so while he's going to be full of spirity goodness, he's also going to be one box away from a deadly wound. It's not going to be easy to hurt him, but all it's really going to take is one moderate.

*edit* Crikes you people are fast. I was referring to Sidartha's sig in my post.

[Eyeless Blond]

And yes, you can't buy successes by burning Karma Pool (remember this is *burning*, not just spending; it doesn't come back) unless you've already scored one success on that test. P. 246 SR3

[BitBasher]

Also, an above poster pointed out that you must earn one sucess naturally before you can burn a point of karma pool to buy a success.

[Edward]

Remember in order to get the spirits immunity to normal weapons you need to channel a great form spirit.

It steps out like this.

Summon whoopee big spirit. (Hard to do and risks deadly drain)
Invoke whoopee big spirit to great form (harder to do and risks deadly drain)
Teem medic patches you back together using mundane medicine (very difficult to get it all)
Choanal spirit (I think this required a conjuring test, target force so not easy to do)
Be uberest bastard in all creation for a few minutes.
Resist deadly drain as spirit leaves you.

Could work for a hermetic that can conjure the elementals weeks in advance, an fact if I was a hermetic with channelling and the ability to invoke it I would keep a force 6-8 great form air elemental with 1 service remaining on call at all times to channel s a “get out of dreck fast card”

Assuming you managed to pull this off why would ghost walker or any other entity have a problem with it? They may have a problem with what you do with it but I don’t see why they would have a problem with your method.

Edward

[tisoz]

Limit of Force = 2 * magic rating
Magic 6 or 7 (trauma damper, initiate)
Force 12 or 14 Spirit
Charisma is probably 6 or 8, so drain is Serious or Deadly Physical (no magical healing, be mean and check for magic loss)
Invoking test for great form (to get immunity to normal weapons) TN 24 or 28, need 1 success or spirit goes uncontrolled
Second drain test TN = 2* Force so 24 or 26 S or D physical drain.
Channeling test TN = 2*Force, each success gives 10 minutes
At end of channeling, (Force)D physical drain

All are physical drain because force exceeds magic rating.

So first limiting factor is trying to keep the drain stun.
Second limiting factor is trying to hit that Force*2 TN.
Third for hermetic is cost of conjuring materials, third for shaman need it to be great form to cross domains, or possibility of having drain modifiers if conjured on the spot (+all other TN mods that may apply under what could be less than ideal situation.)

[Sandoval Smith]

So instead of wicked super deadly uber-munch, this seems to be a case where you hear the rattle of dice, followed by the GM stating. "And then... mage EXPLODE!"

[DragginSPADE]

As it should be. Great power comes with a great price. Of course, channelling a force 6 spirit still makes you pretty buff though.

[tisoz]

My last shaman had centering, invoking, and channeling. I never wound up channeling a single spirit. I doubt I would have tried above force 5, and it was an elf with Charisma 9, Magic 8 (got a point of cyber/bio w/o geas), aptitude conjuring (don't know why I was allowed this, maybe oversight or intimidated?), +2D6 for city spirits. Before the trauma damper, I usually only conjured Force 4 because of drain. I also had a string of bad rolls once where 3 straight times I tried to invoke a Force 5 great form and had it go uncontrolled, even with a karma re-roll. 42 straight dice without hitting 10 or above. I went back to Force 4s.

I played in a game with a guy that had an ally spirit. He got extra dice from it for the channeling success test and the drain test since they occurred at seperate intervals. I saw how fantastic Ally aid dice are for conjuring.

[Zeel De Mort]

Well the mage/shaman would have to be at least initiate grade 2 to attempt this and, if he's in any way sane, would be WAY higher initiate grade than that.

If you're a very very high level initiate, and particularly if you're a mage, it is possible to channel something like a force 12 greatform, and higher if you don't mind burning a lot of karma a few times to hooper-nelson those target numbers down.

But even so, Immunity to Normal Weapons 12 doesn't guarantee you'll survive everything ever. Sure your body will be in the high teens, but there's plenty that can still hurt you.


Still, it's something everyone of great power should be trying now and then. ;)

Ideally you want to have an aptitude in conjuring, a ridiculously high charisma (by using a quickened spell for example, with lots of rerolls/burnt karma), a ridiculously high initiate grade and... a ridiculously high force spirit!

Hey presto, a ridiculous amount of fun and destruction.


As an aside, if you're talking about REAL "munchkin" channelling, has anyone had a character channel a free spirit before? If you've bound it already, I don't see why you couldn't channel it too. Think of all the nice powers you, personally, could get access to then.

[Garland]

Create Wealth would be a nice start, but if you're a munchkin mage, you've probably already made a fortune selling gold radicals. :rotfl:

[tisoz]

[Weredigo]

[Large Mike]

Godwalker of the Munchkin?

[BitBasher]

[Prospero]

I think technicaly, when you bind a free spirit, you get "an unlimited number of services" so maybe it would... but probably not in my campaign.

[Kanada Ten]

I don't recall the word "service" being used in the Binding a Free Spirit section. Can someone offer a quote?

[Cynic project]