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Mar 2 2005, 09:02 PM
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None of this really hits any of the points I was making. I wasn't saying that elves don't get racism, I was saying that canon makes them actually better than the other metatypes. People on these threads always tend to leap straight to "blame your GM and players," and never consider that maybe canon IS to blame, because other (playable) races don't get long lifespans, don't get to be immortal uber-magicians, and don't get their own powerful nations (I don't put the Ork Underground in the same league as the Tirs). My beef is that way more attention seems to get focused on elves than on the other metatypes. There aren't any location sourcebooks about Ork, Troll, or Dwarf nations, but the elves get two. I haven't really had that big a problem with elves in my games (which pains me to say, because I DO have an irrational hatred of elves dating back to my D&D days, like someone described above); I'd just like to see the focus of the game be more equally applied and have canon stop telling us that elves ARE superior, and racism against them should stem from that. I was happy when 3rd edition made elves take a higher priority assignment than dwarves and trolls, but I think the better solution would have been to give them drawbacks to balance out all the advantages they get (and here I don't count racism as a drawback, because it applies to all the metahumans, and is probably a lot MORE of a drawback to the non-elf metatypes). |
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Mar 2 2005, 08:55 PM
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Nono, that one was a Prussian. A *small* Prussian, but a human prussian nonetheless. On a slightly related note, there are human tribes (Kimil in Papua New Guinea) who are dwarf-sized (as in, 1.30 to 1.40 meters) naturally. also, there once was Homo foresiensis, whcih was gnome-sized. And the Gigantopithecus could well have been troll-sized and -shaped ... hehe.
Oh, women can be really fucked up too ... and meat puppets aren't nescessarly only used for sex, but also for all kinds of revenge and domination/humiliation fantasies ... poor little girl, remind my character to send her character a box of chocolates or something. |
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Mar 2 2005, 09:58 PM
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No kidding. Anyway, I may as well add my own two cents since otherwise my presence is completely OT. I think this topic is ridiculous. It serves no purpose other than fueling a mind-numbingly boring and juvenile contest of people yelling, "elves sucks!," "Do not!" for the last 70-odd posts. Elves are a race. They can be played however you like, or not at all. It's you game, and frankly I don't care what your person opinion of elves are because it doesn't do me any good to know that some dude out on the Internet has a mad hate-on for them. Good for you. |
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Mar 2 2005, 10:05 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
*sigh* You guys don't know your hobbits. In Willow they were Nelwyns. In Wizard of Oz they were munchkins and in Willy Wonka they were oompla-loompas. Of course, I suppose it feeds back into the simply fact that no great fantasy story is complete without someone who's 3 feet tall and has hairy feet. |
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Mar 2 2005, 11:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 117 Joined: 17-February 05 Member No.: 7,094 |
We appreciate the two bits! And crimson is a very becoming color. :) -RM |
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Mar 2 2005, 11:34 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It serves another purpose: keeping alive the memory of Polaris.
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Mar 3 2005, 12:04 AM
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Feh! Peck! Peckpeckpeckpeck! And since I really don't care about dragging this thread off topic, I just rented the Willow dvd recently. Is it just me, or does that movie take place on the smallest world ever? There didn't seem to be any place in the movie that was more than a day's ride away from anywhere else. |
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Mar 3 2005, 12:16 AM
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It's unavoidable. It just has to run its course. Unfortunately. |
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Mar 3 2005, 12:27 AM
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It's a small world after all... I wonder if Virtual Disney has a Small World ride and if they updated it to include metahuman races... |
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Mar 3 2005, 12:32 AM
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Illuminate of the New Dawn Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 317 Joined: 9-June 03 From: Seattle 'Plex, UCAS Member No.: 4,700 |
That would be cool. And I think Disney should have rereleased Snow White so she's a poor human maiden, where her evil stepsisters are elves... That would so SR. :rotfl: Insitutionalized metahatred from 5yrs on up... I think I'm going to bring up Disney stuff in my next game, just somewhere in the background. Is there anything anywhere about if Disney is still around and who owns them now?
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Mar 3 2005, 12:28 AM
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Nitpick: Trolls have the same Priority (and Build Point cost) as Elves in SR3. |
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Mar 3 2005, 12:31 AM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
I think you are confusing Snow White with Cinderella. :) Although I'm sure MOM and dwarves in general would protest the erroneous portrayal of Dwarves in Snow White. The only big mention of Virtual Disney (other than passing references here or there) was in the CalFree sourcebook. In general, I would think that Virtual Disney would go for whatever gives them the most profits, which might or might not be a message of tolerance and acceptance.
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Mar 3 2005, 12:31 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Um, did Snow White even have evil step-sisters? Might you be thinking of Cinderella? |
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Mar 3 2005, 12:39 AM
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Elves costing more than dwarves is bullcrap, in my opinion. |
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Mar 3 2005, 12:45 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
In mine as well. All the metahuman races should have the same cost. |
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I agree with Smiley and Fortune. Though I see the logic in the staggered costs, it doesn't sit well with me.
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
Thank god, it's not just me.
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Mar 3 2005, 02:38 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
"His favorite movie is 'Snow White', but it's the Humanis Digital Remastered edition, without the Seven Dwarfs." -- Kinneas, discussing a Humanis Johnson that we brutally murdered a couple days later
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Mar 3 2005, 03:10 AM
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I feel I have something substantive to add to this thread.
Ehrem. Here goes: Ha! Poncy elves! My work here is finished. Not that I have anything against elves, mind you. I just enjoy pointing out their propensity for poncy. |
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Mar 3 2005, 03:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 3,348 |
And I think Elves should cost more than they do. They're the only race to get only advantages. And one out of every three PCs I've seen has been an elf. |
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Mar 3 2005, 04:32 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
And Dwarves are the ony ones that get an overall +4 to Attributes.
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Mar 3 2005, 04:44 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
I thought Trolls also get an overall +4 to their attributes as well? |
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Mar 3 2005, 05:07 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yeah, you're right, they do. This only reinforces my point that Elves are not worth the extra point cost.
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Mar 3 2005, 08:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 117 Joined: 17-February 05 Member No.: 7,094 |
Don't forget that dwarves are little, and are fun to trip and laugh at. I'm not sure if it has any statistical relevence here, but it's definitely great to keep in mind.
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