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 Mar 21 2005, 03:11 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185  |
Perhaps one or more of the IEs during the downcycle decided to pollute the hell out of Alamaise's area of operations in an attempt to forestall him from returning and claiming territory (or artifacts) located there upon a return of the mana.
Of course I've always wondered why both Dunklezahn and Icewing relocated to North America for the 6th age when Barsaive was always thier chief territory. Personally I would've setup Icewing in Russia upon his return. |
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Mar 21 2005, 10:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 21-March 05 From: Freeport NY Member No.: 7,205 |
Well, from what I've gathered it seems Dunkie probably had some idea of what was going to happen with regards to Atzlan and its blood magic calling Horrors back, so being in close proximity when he wakes up wouldn't be the worst idea ever.
There's really only two ways this sort of plot seems to be heading, because it doesn't seem that it can be totally eliminated after some of the previous story developments. First, they can try to continue with the vague machinations of the past, but seeing as we already know what the Horrors are about in some regard, it becomes less and less pointed. Granted you can't do too much with a main core-book, and Horror stats are the last thing we would probably want (I love corp and national wars myself), but their presence is only going to increase. Second, we already know there have been minor horrors around. They're only going to get worse thus perhaps basic information regarding them will be leaked. Not likely, but possible are rules for minor horrors. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Insect Sprits vaguely horror-like? And if not, would Insect Shamans be just as ready to fight against Horrors? There's a pretty clear connection between blood magic and the Horrors, so who really knows? BTW yay first post! I hope its not terrible! |
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Mar 21 2005, 10:35 PM
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If you were afraid of downturn hunting, don't you think it makes more sense to find a nice secure lair on the other side of the world rather than setting up a lair where everyone is? |
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Mar 22 2005, 12:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
Doesn't fly as Ryumyo and Lung remained in the much higher density east and Lofwyr remained in vasgothia. I'd say at least the high end greats probably laired someplace out of synch with reality rather than expose themselves too much. Besides Icewing and Mountainshadow aren't exactly the most hated of the 4th world dragons. |
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Mar 22 2005, 12:41 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Doesn't mean that all dragons thought the exact same way.
But both are considered powerful and even Harlequin suggest Dunkelzhan must die. We only know that Ghostwalker was in control of Denver area long enough for the other dragons to consider it "his" territory. |
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Mar 22 2005, 12:52 AM
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Are there any Asian IEs?
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Mar 22 2005, 06:37 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 30-January 04 Member No.: 6,043 |
Insect spirits are something other than Horrors. And there's all kinds of blood magic. In ED, everyone uses blood magic. You can sacrifice your own blood, or you can use someone elses. The "bad" blood magic is what Horrors like, but only really in the way that they like other forms of torture and bloodshed. BTW, welcome. |
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Mar 22 2005, 07:30 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I've been given to understand that there are reasons, specifically having to do with Icewing's "role" concerning the Great Elves and their last conflict. It's my pet theory that certain IE's were transported to the North American continent (either to avoid being a pain in the ass, or part of a failed Theran colony)...which would explain Tir Tairngire being in the Pacific Northwest, the higher expression of elves in the area, etc.
Maybe. There are, and were, certainly asian dragonkin in both senses. So Eastern Dragons could have created any IEs, whether or not they chose to is a different matter. Keep in mind that even in Earthdawn times, matters were handled differently in the orient. That said, there is a hint of an elven migration, likely with IEs among them, moving through India at some point from some place farther off. If there are any asian IE's, they're keeping a relatively low profile.
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Mar 22 2005, 08:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 30-January 04 Member No.: 6,043 |
AH, not to suggest I know better, but isn't Drain (in SR) more analogous to Warping Damage (in ED), rather than Strain (in ED)?
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Mar 22 2005, 08:50 PM
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Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105 |
Personally, I like the mild influance that the 4th world has on the 6th. Horrors, are not however, mild. When/if they do show up, a number of them are in for a BIG suprise, as it was pointed out, 900 rpm will certinly be more nasty then your yard of steel. Magic has become more of a science, and still stay an art. My guestimate is that your avg mage now will probely F up an avg mage from then.
But this isnt the New Years Horror debate. next topic. Nice to see you back though AH. |
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Mar 22 2005, 10:13 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Yes and no. Warping damage is technically caused by astral pollution and channelling such tainted energies through the metahuman body, and applies to certain forms of spellcasting. Drain, on the other hand, covers mental or physical exhaustion or damage from a variety of magical operations. Strain is a bit more complicated, but given some of the uses of death magic in SR, and the somewhat defunct method of Forced spellcasting, it seems to fulfill a more or less analogous role to drain in an optimal (i.e. no astral pollution) system; at least in certain operations. Lindt: Nice to be back. |
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Mar 22 2005, 10:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 30-January 04 Member No.: 6,043 |
I thought Drain was caused by channeling mana from astral space directly. Or maybe that's why all Drain is physical while astrally projecting. Hmmm... Gonna have to look this up.
In terms of Drain from Adept powers such as attribute boost, it does look a lot more like Strain. |
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Mar 24 2005, 04:25 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,863 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Insect spirits were called "invae" back in the day, and they were more of a precursor to the horrors. Completely unrelated except that they come in at a higher level of mana. The interesting thing is that in ED, they didn't starts showing up (at least according to the main book) until about 1,000 yrs(-ish) before the Scourge. I think their arrival in SR was a bit early and another result of the GGD. As for as Ghostwalker, what I'm interested in is seeing if the so called Spirit of Denver he's supposed to be interested in has anything to do with Yuichotol, his old mate from way back when. She was killed by the Theran's behemoths, and her soul was placed into a Soul Stone, basically keeping her spirit around. If Icewing/Ghostwalker took that stone to his new lair (Denver), could be the spirit. AH? THoughts? |
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Mar 24 2005, 07:13 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
As I recall from 'Queen Euphoria,' the Invae were brought back into the world when some hapless Coyote shaman was drawn to some sort of temple, or artifact of theirs in South America, allowing them to get a jump on things.
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Mar 24 2005, 07:10 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I'm pretty sure they were already here, as that happens after the formation of - but not discovery about - the Universal Botherhood, IIRC.
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Mar 24 2005, 07:19 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Maybe the UB started out as a legit business/charity, and the Bugs just moved in and took over later on?
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Mar 24 2005, 07:36 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
I know I've got a copy of Euphoria hidden around someplace, so I'll see if it has a date in the prologue (a short fiction piece that took place some amount of time before the events of the module itself). |
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Mar 24 2005, 01:17 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Apropos of nothing much, the advert for the UB in the London Sourcebook is a really nice piece of work. Everybody's all happy and holding hands from different cultures - but look at the baby the cyberbloke's holding. It's bawling its eyes out.
I just liked that subtle touch. |
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Mar 24 2005, 07:23 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Pre-Scourge dates are more or less non-existent; it's known that the Burning Time happened before the Scourge, and that in the Aztlan annotations the invae are described as precursors to the Horrors. Given Harlequin's comments in Harlequin's Back and the general tone, it's hard to determine if the invae came in early or not. Could be. General consensus is that the Spirit of Denver is not Yuichotol, based on little bits in Dragons of the Sixth World.
Not quite. Queen Euphoria and Universal Brotherhood both discuss the invae, or places/objects connected to their influence in South America, but it's impossible to determine when and where the first invae came through. |
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Mar 26 2005, 10:59 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,863 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
So.. just a professional interest then? Any conjecture (or even better canon, although I doubt it) on what did happen to Yuichotol? Heck, for that matter, while we're tangenting, any lightbearers carry over? I know there's some conjecture that Hq was a questor (of Vestrias). I assume that's about the end of the passions involvement (Hq's Back?). Now, are the Rites of Progression supposed to be rooted in Shoshara. I know you mentioned before that the file on Shoshara is not canon. Is the reference to the Rites included in it accurate though? If not by canon, in your opinion, based on other carry overs by the IE's in the Tir and where they're rumored to be from (or not so rumored in Hq's case)? Sorry for all the questions.... but you asked! |
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Mar 26 2005, 02:10 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
More or less, yep.
Well, the Council was going to meet and talk about that after a certain grace period, it might be at least part of the reason Ghostwalker left. No idea where Ghost Scales is at the moment...possibly there isn't enough mana for her to manifest outside of her soul stone.
A number of people think Harlequin is one, due to his little dissapearing act with Ehran at the end of Harlequin; I personally remain unconvinced.
The Rites first appeared in SR, in the Tir Tairngire sourcebook, and have no ED equivalent. I'm tempted to draw a link between them and certain Celtic or Amerind games, but there's no direct parallels I'm aware of. It may well just have been an invention to showcase how the Tir works (or doesn't, in this case.) |
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Mar 26 2005, 02:27 PM
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Harlequin Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 331 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 861 |
I know I'm a bit late about Harlequin's back, but I wanted to add my story.
I read HB and thought it sucked. A year later I did it again and thought it sucked. A year or two later I played Harlequin and the players loved the campaign and hated Harlequin. Because of that I figured I'd give HB a try. We all loved it. It was great. The players hated the railroading, but they loved the campaing. Specially since they already had a backstory with Harlequin. HB is among the favourties amongst my players. |
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