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post Mar 17 2005, 04:30 AM
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Something I've been wondering. Insane Asylums, What would they be like in 2040 and up, and how would the Corps treat thier truly insane. Granted Cyber and Bio ware can help with most structural and chemical abnormalities in the brain. However even today there are a few cases that can't be "fixed".
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post Mar 17 2005, 04:55 AM
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Datajack. Permenant simsense.
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post Mar 17 2005, 05:15 AM
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Depends on the SIN, I would think..

No SIN? Lab rat.
If lab rats are too plentiful, 2 nuyen implant.

SIN? No idea. Can't just vanish someone with a SIN -- unless of course they never do anything off corp grounds ;)
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post Mar 17 2005, 05:49 AM
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depends on where you happen to go crazy I would guess. Some countries like Azlan I could see having Euthenesia or experimentation programs in effect. The UCAS and the like probably about the same as now. You get ignored and probably live in the barrens if you are sinless. If you are lucky enough to have a SIN you would probably have some sort of advanced simsense therapy.

Using the insane as lab rats would be difficult. If people have the means they tend to sympathize with those they see as helpless praticularly if they see it as not being their fault. There are plenty of SINless criminals to muck around with and stick wires into without the baggage of persecuting the mentally handicapped. There's be much less of a public outcry if a few prisoners with life or death sentances "voluntueered" for experiments.
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post Mar 17 2005, 06:50 AM
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You guys are too nice to the insane, really. Generally if they're SINless they're one of two things - lab rat or ghoul food. Even the insane people with SINs are going to be lab rats (that what advanced simsense is...testing for a cure - unless they are REALLY rich, in which case they're eccentric and have legions of servitors to obey their every whimper.), but they are lucky to not have the latter option.

using the insane as a lab rat is easy - it's called drugs. Lots of drugs - keep 'em pumped full of sleep aids/concoctions while you do stuff to 'em, then they do what you want. Or pull a bunraku style personafix and you have a useful lab rat. easy enough.

Gritty...gotta be gritty.
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post Mar 17 2005, 07:38 AM
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned organlegging.
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post Mar 17 2005, 07:30 AM
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No such thing as "insane asylums" anymore (at least the way folks envision "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"), ever since the 80s. Psychiatric hospitals are no longer meant for long-term stays. Even in regular hospitals, it used to be that half the beds were reserved solely for the psych ward. Now, you're lucky to find a dozen beds total for it. Psychiatrists are far more likely to get the patient on a regimen of drugs to control their "X" disease (whatever it is), then have them come in for therapy with a psychologist if necessary. Certain disorders, like personality disorders, are untreatable except through Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Most of the other ones (schizophrenia, manic-depressive, major depression, etc.) are fully treatable (at least for the short term) through medicines. The best therapies for most psychiatric disorders is a combination of therapy and meds.

This is pure speculation, but I'd imagine that simsense will be both the bane and the panacea of psychiatry. The bane, because I can see a whole new class of mental disorder stemming from Simsense (variations on current mental illness induced by simsense, as well as BTL-induced addiction/psychoses), and I can see treatment being far more effective for those with mental illness, as a psychiatrist would be able to work directly on one's personality and mind.

On another note, it has been indicated that despite the tech level of 2064, some forms of epilepsy have not been cured, as inferred by the bit in one of the SOTA books where they talk about possibly using Move-by-Wire technology to control seizures rather than causing them.
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post Mar 17 2005, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE (Fortune)
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned organlegging.

Well I kinda implied that with the ghoul food - as ghouls are involved in a lot of that organlegging rackets. :) Where else do you go to dispose of the scraps left over after everything else has been bagged?
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post Mar 17 2005, 08:33 AM
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I felt it was valid enough to do more than imply it. ;) :P
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post Mar 17 2005, 02:50 PM
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Based on my experience (as caregiver, not patient thank you very little) there are still going to be the old State Hospitals or Regional Treatment Centers for the really destitute and dangerous. I could see some corps buying them up and providing care (AKA experimenting with mind altering chemicals) for their employees there.

Mental retardation is still going to happen in 2070, and today's system is set up for treating MR and all its associated mental illnesses (in general) in an outpatient setting.

If you want a gritty game, run them through a poorly run mental hospital.

Read up on how the word bedlam got its name and you will see what I mean...
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post Mar 17 2005, 06:07 PM
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it's not so much that people would be unable to physically turn the insane into lab rats but rather that the public outcry surrounding such a procedure would be too high. Besides there are literally hundreds of thousands of criminals clogging up the prison system and millions of poor shmucks in the barrens who would be happy to get a few wires stuck in their head in exchange for a real meal. People don't care about them. People do on the other hand care about the mentally ill or otherwise disabled. Look at how many home care nurses and the like there are around now and how big the market is for drug companies , like I said for the people with sins at least I just can't picture them doing radical experiments on. It might be somthing akin to

"Mam we have this new drug that might help Jonny, it's still in the final experimental stage right now but that means that the drug provider will give it to us for :nuyen: 1000 a month which your insurance should cover. All previous tests have shown it to be safe and it's just waiting final approval from the FDA"

The previous testers on the other hand would likely be rounded up from the barrens irrigardless of if they were mentally ill or not.
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Ah... millions. 2-3 incarcerated, 5-6 million more on parole or probation.

But I still find your assertions that people care about the mentally ill hard to accept.
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post Mar 17 2005, 11:25 PM
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Wipe the memory and implant a false one?

Or just replace the brain with a computer?

Would solve the problem AI must be well developed by then?

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Note - I could do with that! bwhahahaha!! :wobble:
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post Mar 18 2005, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE (hahnsoo)
No such thing as "insane asylums" anymore (at least the way folks envision "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"), ever since the 80s. Psychiatric hospitals are no longer meant for long-term stays. Even in regular hospitals, it used to be that half the beds were reserved solely for the psych ward. Now, you're lucky to find a dozen beds total for it. Psychiatrists are far more likely to get the patient on a regimen of drugs to control their "X" disease (whatever it is), then have them come in for therapy with a psychologist if necessary. Certain disorders, like personality disorders, are untreatable except through Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Most of the other ones (schizophrenia, manic-depressive, major depression, etc.) are fully treatable (at least for the short term) through medicines. The best therapies for most psychiatric disorders is a combination of therapy and meds.

The DSM IV strikes again. :P
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post Mar 18 2005, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE (kevyn668)
The DSM IV strikes again. :P

It's dry as hell, but it's the psychiatry "Bible"... can't talk shop if you don't know what you are talking about. I especially like the "regional disorders" section, with the mental disorders that are only found in certain countries (the belief that one's genitalia are shrinking, for example). If you're looking for treatment, though, you are much better off doing a quick journal search.
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post Mar 18 2005, 03:37 PM
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Thinking they're shrinking is a disorder? See, I thought that was the second half of normal operation.... man, crazy people are crazy.
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post Mar 18 2005, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (Tarantula)
Thinking they're shrinking is a disorder? See, I thought that was the second half of normal operation.... man, crazy people are crazy.

Yeah, I forget what it's called (koro, maybe?), but it's an East Asian mental disorder (especially in Singapore and the island nations near Australia) where males believe their penis is shriveling and going to fall off (usually due to supernatural circumstances or relationship problems... there are numerous "explanations" for it), and there's also a variant where females believe their breasts and womb are shrinking (similar cause). Rather bizarre.
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post Mar 18 2005, 06:50 PM
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Hey, those evil spirits will make your pecker fall off!

It could just be transferral of guilt manifesting in a culturally acceptable outlet.
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post Mar 19 2005, 09:54 AM
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hmm... what spell is that? wither limb? well, wither genitilia... and have that cast via link. wheee, can you see that being used on a poor PC?
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post Mar 19 2005, 09:56 AM
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Slow Death in T:AL.


Wouldn't you want to die afterwards?
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post Mar 19 2005, 10:32 AM
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When I said I wanted to die quietly in bed, what I really meant that sometime in my EXTREME old age while entering the state of senility I want to be trampled to death by an elephant while making love to a ravishingly beutifull pin-up model.
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post Mar 19 2005, 10:50 AM
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Is she drunk or drugged in this fantasy?

oh yeah, and quietly? Must be doing something wrong with said pin up!
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post Mar 19 2005, 11:39 AM
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Niether I hope. Never bed a woman who's under the influence, unless it's Chocolate.

Hopefully by the time it happens I'll be 110+ so I don't think I'd be making much noise, her on the other hand...

okay, back to the subject on hand. What to do with the crazies who haven't found thier way to Testing Facilities or Discount Organ bins...
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post Mar 19 2005, 06:48 PM
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If they have any money, personafx chips.

Replace the crazy personality with a corp-friendly meat droid.

What would it be like, traped in a body that a chip was running?
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post Mar 19 2005, 08:48 PM
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Depending on who's still fighting who, you might just have stumbled onto a neat source of expendable cannon fodder. Stick a chip in them and send them out to die. Cheaper than training real troops.
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