 Rapid Fire Magic, Casting 2 Exclusive Spells |
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 Mar 25 2005, 11:25 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 25 Joined: 20-March 03 Member No.: 4,295  |
I'm looking to have an exclusive Stunbolt for just firing off as many times as I can in one round.
From my interpretation of the casting multiple spells in one turn (SR3 P.181) and the description of what you cannot do with an exclusive spell (SR3 P.160) I think you can cast more then one exclusive spell at a time since it is splitting the dice rolled rather then a seperate skill but my brother thinks you can't cast an exclusive spell in the mix. So what do the gurus have to say about this? |
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Mar 25 2005, 11:32 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
A Magical Action classified as 'Exclusive', such as an exclusive spell or initiating Astral Projection, means that you cannot perform any other magical function at the same time. You could not even be sustaining a prior spell and cast an exclusive spell without dropping the sustained spell.
So, in essence, no you could not cast two exclusive spells (even f they are of the same type) simultaneously. Why would you want an exclusive Stunbolt anyway? The Drain on a Force 6 (or 7) Stunbolt is only 2[DL]. |
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Mar 25 2005, 11:37 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Note that one cannot even maintain Spell Defense, which is also a split of the Sorcery dice.
Simultaneous casting is still described as multiple tests and spells, so while this may be a technical loophole, I would not allow it. |
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Mar 25 2005, 11:51 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 25 Joined: 20-March 03 Member No.: 4,295 |
That was a quick. Thanks for the help.
Fortune:The reason for wanting a exclusive stunbolt is that the exclusive bonus counters the multiple spell p[enalty when you only do 2 spells. And how did you calculate the stunbolt drain? SR3 P.191 says it is -1(DL) so would that not make a force 6 stunbolt 5(DL) drain? |
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Mar 25 2005, 11:54 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Drain is calculated by Force/2 (round down) and then adding any modifiers. Force 6 divided by 2 is 3, minus 1 is 2. This is described on page 183 of SR3.
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Mar 26 2005, 12:04 AM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
The other reason to make it exclusive would be for learning the spell. Hitting that TN of 12 to learn a force 6 spell is not easy.
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Mar 26 2005, 12:06 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yeah I know, but it's hardly worth the drawbacks when used with Combat spells. |
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Mar 25 2005, 11:58 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
My suggestion on counter the multiple casting modifiers would be to apply the Aptitude edge to multiple casting Stunbolt. As a GM I might be convinced of it.
Though a better solution for you might be to take Stunball and increase the area of effect by withholding successes, each one adding a meter to the spell's radius. One could make that Exclusive to mitigate drain and thus put more dice into the test. |
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Mar 26 2005, 12:43 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 25 Joined: 20-March 03 Member No.: 4,295 |
Wow! :eek: And all this time we have been using the full force of the spell to calculate drain. Now that is going to allow for a lot more spells to be cast. |
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Mar 26 2005, 12:37 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Pleased to be of assistance to spellcasters everywhere. ;)
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Mar 26 2005, 02:03 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
note that if you find it makes spellcasters too powerful (i don't think it does, but it's your game) using the full force as the basis for drain is an optional rule in the book.
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Mar 26 2005, 02:56 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
Another reason to take it as exclusive to resist drain is that you have a whooping high force.
My woyen is considering a force 10 powerboat but only has magic 8 at this time. make it exclusive and he will be able to cast it without taking physical drain. Edward |
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Mar 26 2005, 03:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 25-March 05 Member No.: 7,235 |
Hh. GGood luck learning it; the target number for anything above force 6 is prohibitive (and anything above Force 4 really isn't all that easy either).
Oh, and isn't it *dice* that you withhold to increase area rather than successes? Area is determined before you roll, I thought? |
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Mar 26 2005, 04:12 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Oops, you're right. It also must be Sorcery dice, so it doesn't help too much to have it Exclusive.
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Mar 26 2005, 07:22 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
I've done both. Full force really puts the fear into your mage. They're a lot more likely to pull punches or carry a back up gun. Or get a little bio like the pain editor, which, despite the magic loss is a nice one for mages (no stun damage, +1 willpower while active). The thing is (and I'm sure this has been debated time and again somewhere) that mages don't really need to have full force to balance them. Force 6 powerbolt means that somebody has to resist 6 (whatever) , and the caster resists 3 (whatever), assuming no modifiers apply. Where any gutterpunk can shoot off a burst with an uzi III for 11M. A stock and shockpads(2points rc) means his target number is likely lower than the mages. If the target has average armor (say armored jacket 5/3) they have to resist 6M. Same as the mage, but the punk doesn't have any chance of hurting himself. I think high drain games work better with low power campaigns, where the other PC's have less powerful hardware, since it's about the only way to reduce a mages power. It does make for some interesting games. But unless you're going for flavor, I don't really see any reason for it. |
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Mar 26 2005, 03:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 17-November 03 From: Texas Member No.: 5,828 |
For magically fast getaways! |
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