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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 ![]() |
Agreed with everything Patrick said there. There's one rules thing I'm trying to get changed now, but overall, I'm liking what I see. And that's something to keep in mind: the SR4 development isn't an echo chamber. If something is put out that seems problematic or is seen as a bad idea, we do speak up about it and try to get it fixed/changed. We're all players, and so we face the questions of "does this work?" or "would I play this?" On top of that, the writers involved in the discussions realize that once it's in SR4, it becomes the standard we use for our writing in the future. So we're pretty picky! :D |
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Immoral Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 ![]() |
You really should add something like that to your sig. :) |
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 23-January 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 7,007 ![]() |
I'm glad that they are doing extensive playtesting and thanks to all the playtesters out there. Good luck catching all those little bugs!!! :P
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 ![]() |
Ka-chik "Don't call me Pat" BOOM I like it :) |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
Yeah, I really should. I think I will. I just didn't think people ever actually read my sig. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 ![]() |
Can we call you Goodomanu-san in a desperate attempt to preserve elements of the 80s in SR?
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
Seems a little protracted and drawn-out, but sure, if it floats your boat. :) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,784 ![]() |
No offense intened Patrick, I just tend to make my posts off the cuff.
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 ![]() |
I did have another question, but I'm not sure if it might break any NDAs or anything, so feel free to ignore it if it does.
6) Will there be any type of edge/flaw mechanic built into the core rules, and if so, is it going to be handled in a way similar to how it's been handled or will is it completely new in its implentation? As a follow-up, if there is one, how do you like it compared to the current way of things? |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
And none taken; it's just one of those things I'm used to doing. It happens a lot. I'm not as anal about it as I used to be. |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
That's a mechanics question, Doc, and right now to either confirm or deny it would be to violate our NDA. I'll have to take a pass on it for the moment. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 ![]() |
Don't worry, Bull's got that one covered in this post here. |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
Oh, he published Arnie's rant. I wish he wouldn't do things like that; it only encourages the little tin-plated despot-wannabe. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 458 Joined: 28-March 05 From: NA/UCAS/IN/ Member No.: 7,246 ![]() |
I have to say here, not to go against the stream, SR4 has me a LOT less worried than I was when SR got turned over to the Clix people. I just knew that all they were gonna be putting out were Troll Barbies on big dials, and just dropping the books altogether.
So, I will be anxiously awaiting the arrival, and if I can swing it, may even go to GenCon Indy to get a copy firsthand. Since not a whole lot has come out yet about the spell system, I would like to know how it is changing. I know this also probably comes under the "game mechanics" ban in the NDA, but a guy can dream. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 ![]() |
Hey, that's a thought - it's getting released in the US at the con, what about Europe?
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 ![]() |
Like all FanPro books, it will be shipped to European distributors and stores as promptly as possible.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 360 Joined: 18-March 02 From: Plymouth UK. Member No.: 2,408 ![]() |
F*****g A. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 ![]() |
I wasn't too worried when it got sold to WizKids, since some of the same founding employees of FASA had gone on to be the head honchos of WizKids. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 458 Joined: 28-March 05 From: NA/UCAS/IN/ Member No.: 7,246 ![]() |
Since SR4 is going to be debuted at GenCon Indy, will there be game events scheduled? If so, on what days, and how can I get a piece of the action?
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 20-March 05 Member No.: 7,193 ![]() |
First) Is SR going to stick with the classic L,M,S,D damage system or will it adopt a fixed 10 hit point system or will it be some completely different?
Second) How is combat handled, is it an opposed test similar to SR3s Melee or does it function as the SR3 Ballistic combat and will it allow for dodging and other cinematic combat features? Third) Initiative, how does it function in SR4? |
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 29-January 05 From: San Diego, California Member No.: 7,032 ![]() |
Thats something I'm very interested in knowing too Blitzen , will we keep our Damage Code system. I hope we do , its just one of those things that set SR apart from DnD Case in Point
DnD : (DM to Fighter) : ok take 50 points of Damage (Fighter to DM): bah thats alright plenty more where that came from! (DM to Mid Level Mage) : and you take 50 Damage as well (Mage) : *silently grabs a new character sheet * SR : (GM to high Karma Sammie) : and you take a Deadly wound (Sammie) :*silently grabs a new character sheet * (GM to high Karma Mage) : you did too (Mage) :* silently grabs a new character sheet * I don't know I just like the fact that a deadly wound is just that : Deadly If it can kill you in shadowrun , it doesn't care what archetype you are , it doesn't care if your awakened or mundane it kills you ; and honestly thats one thing I can't stand about D&D , if your a fighter somehow your body can take some unnatural amount of damage and just shrug it off , no penalties to any of his attacks just goes from 60 to dead... I guess I just like the lethality of Shadowrun , it makes death the great equalizer it should be . |
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Great, I'm a Dragon... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 ![]() |
I second that. In our last SR-session our dwarven sammie with really body value nearly died. He was slashed by two gangers with cougar fineblades. The player of the dwarf was so surprised how it deadly SR can be that even forget to complain about it. ;)
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 138 Joined: 1-September 02 From: France Member No.: 3,208 ![]() |
Small ? Very small ? Tiny tiny tiny ? :lick: |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
Yes, the damage system, and the flowing, drain resist, MP-less magic system, were the single best things SR had top offer. If these are gone, I'll use SR3revised, and won't buy a BBB4, period. That's what made SR SR for me, and if that is missing, I can as well go and convert SR to D20 and implement character classes and all that shit.
SR is always deadly, and even a 400-KArma character can be outright killed by two Red Samurai with machine pistols and ExEx ammo firing two salvos each. Bang. No more 400 Karma character. In D20, the lv.20 fighter would walk up to the 300 man lv.1 orc army, pull his +5 enchanted combat spoon, and proceed to wipe the floor with them. With a certain level, D20 turns into DragonballZ. SR never did, it always kept a character grounded and aware of their own mortality. |
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Great, I'm a Dragon... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 ![]() |
I hope they'll make drain a little bit harder to resist, but that's the only thing i want to be changed when it comes to damage, combat and the like.
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