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No More Nuyen, Drop Nuyen in favor of generic currency

Xavier Grimwand View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 04:17 PM Post #1
Target Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 29-March 05 Member No.: 7,258	Greetings, I just joined the forums today to make this post. :) reeks of newbieness I believe that, in SR4, they (the Devs) should drop the currency of Nuyen, in favor of a more generic currency. Whether it is called: Cred, Credit(s), etc., as long as it does not sound like - or is drived from - any current currency used in the world today. There is even a symbol for generic currency: ¤ P.S. If this is known one way or the other, just hit me up-side the head. ;)

Kagetenshi View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 04:27 PM Post #2
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Nikoli View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 04:32 PM Post #3
Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033	Aside from a few holdouts, nuyen is almost ambiguously accepted throughout the world. I've always run it as the terminals where you slot your stick just converts it to the local currency in those rare cases and when you receive money, it's converted back.

Patrick Goodman View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 04:28 PM Post #4
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Xavier Grimwand View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 04:39 PM Post #5
Target Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 29-March 05 Member No.: 7,258	ahem The players that I've played with tend to call Nuyen ( New Yen ) "Dollars". In role-play, it would just sound better if the characters could refer to the currency as "Creds", simply, for example. Favoring Yen is ... well ... favoritism, to say the least. This at least levels the playing field. And, I've ALWAYS thought that it was one of the silliest terms in Shadowrun.

Patrick Goodman View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 04:43 PM Post #6
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Mar 29 2005, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE (Patrick Goodman)

It would also tend to require a rewrite of the world's history, which ain't happening.

Why would it require history to be re-written?!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Nuyen sometimes referred to as "Creds" in some of the verbage from the books' flavor-text?

Why would it be a bad idea to make that the standard?

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Mar 29 2005, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE (Xavier Grimwand)

Favoring Yen is ... well ... favoritism, to say the least.
This at least levels the playing field.

Favoring dollars is also favoritism.

I fail to see any strength at all in your argument. Nuyen is a flavour for the currency and a strong emphasis in the background of the game as others have said.

Plus, there is still UCAS and CAS dollars in the game if you want to use that also.

Vuron View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 04:42 PM Post #9
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185	It's a holdover from a time when Japan Inc looked unstoppable of course nearly 20 years of stagnation has kinda lost that luster. As dumb as a good number of the core assumptions of the setting might seem today (china and the EU imploding, a miniscule population group gaining control over the western united states and canada) they are intrinsic to the setting. While I personally wouldn't mind a re-invention of the setting along the lines of a Ultimates version of Shadowrun that doesn't seem in the cards for SR4. Of course one could always make enough money to purchase the license and reinvent the setting but I suspect those people who want a setting that better fits with 2005 rather than 1990 might develop a netbook setting instead. Of course this version might be the one in which enough people say I like the system but not the setting to make in become more of a generic system but I kinda doubt it.

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Mar 29 2005, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE (Xavier Grimwand @ Mar 29 2005, 11:39 AM)

Favoring Yen is ... well ... favoritism, to say the least.
This at least levels the playing field.

Favoring dollars is also favoritism.

I fail to see any strength at all in your argument.

Right. Calling it anything remotely resembling the "Dollar" would be favoritism -
And that is exactly what I'd like to avoid.
That is why I suggested it be renamed to "Credit(s)" or "Creds", officially.

And, this is not an argument - It is a suggestion. ;)

PBTHHHHT View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 04:49 PM Post #11
Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327	Calling it credit is also favoritism... to the credit card companies! And to Star Wars and other Sci-fi stories. :-P I view nuyen as a unique thing for Shadowrun.

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QUOTE (Vuron @ Mar 29 2005, 11:42 AM)

While I personally wouldn't mind a re-invention of the setting along the lines of a Ultimates version of Shadowrun that doesn't seem in the cards for SR4.

I am happy whenever someone reference the Ultimates. :D

A "Ultimate" SR universe would be very cool but I doubt the fanbase of shadowrun is in anyway comparable to Marvel's so sadly it probably would not be economically viable.

Could be something fan developped, though. Who knows.

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Mar 29 2005, 05:01 PM

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I view nuyen as a unique thing for Shadowrun.

Yes... Certainly... But it's a hideous hideous word!
Yuck! :dead:

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Mar 29 2005, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE (Xavier Grimwand)

Favoring Yen is ... well ... favoritism, to say the least.
This at least levels the playing field.

That's complete bull. Doubly so if you look at what they did with Japan.

~J

Solstice View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 05:25 PM Post #15
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Mar 29 2005, 05:25 PM

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Aside from a few holdouts, nuyen is almost ambiguously accepted throughout the world.

So is the greenback. So? Does that make the greenback the world's only currency? I wouldn't know if it did. Last time I checked my wallet, it was full of Euros, and my bank account is, too.
There still are many currencies in the SR world. Europe has the ECU/Euro. UCAS has it's dollar (I guess CAS has a CAS dollar too), it's just not what it used to be. Azania has the Rand. Britain still has the Pound Sterling. Soviet-Russia-thingy has the ruble, if I remember Target - Smuggler Havens correctly. Except for the NAN and Japan's vassals in Manchuria and the Phillipines, few countries have given up the idea of a currency of their own, even if the Nuyen might be accepted too.

Changing Nuyen - a remnant of Cyberpunk's core assumption that Japan would rise to be superpower number one - an evil one of course (I could rave a long time about Cyberpunk's innate racism, but I will snip that) - to Dollar or Credit (now THAT's a ghastly word!) just to satisfy some overeager Americans or Scifi fanboys is idiotic.

Yeah, the core presumptions of hwo the world develops were all wrong. The US didn't disintegrate, the EU didn't disintegrate (yet), China rose to become the US' chief rival, and Japan suffers through the 15th year of economic slumber. But in the game world they did. You can always write a net book for another Shadowrun setting. Hell, I have a half finished one for Germany (and Europe) too, as a matter of fact, written when I read the Germany sourcebook first and was thoroughly pissed about just what a shitty piece of bovine excrement it was.

But that won't make it to canon, ever. Canon is based on what was written (Imperial Japan, US, EU and China disintegrating, wireless internet never invented, that megacorps-are-nations ruling, fusion power in 1998), and it cannot just be made to fit the real world because someone says "geez, I don't like this Japan inc. thing, it's favouritism, hey, let's change the currency to FunkyWingCommanderStarTrekJediCredits instead!" Canon background evolves (or, to word it better, should evolve) out of previous canonical material.

One thing I have always wondered about (and my group just assumes): Is there still hard currency? I imagine it difficult if there was none, as there would be no way to pay for anything if there wasn't a credstick booking thingy at the ready (or people had enormously bloated wallets with tons of checksticks in them). It would also make bribing and giving change to the scarescrow-like beggar practically impossible. I vaguely remeber somemthing about money chips in the Germany sourcebook and Sprawl Sites, but that's hardly up to date, so any answer would be appreciated.

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Mar 29 2005, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE (hermit)

Changing Nuyen - a remnant of Cyberpunk's core assumption that Japan would rise to be superpower number one - an evil one of course (I could rave a long time about Cyberpunk's innate racism, but I will snip that) - to Dollar or Credit (now THAT's a ghastly word!) just to satisfy some overeager Americans or Scifi fanboys is idiotic.

No... I never said to change the Shadowrun currency to the "Dollar".
Yes... I suggested changing it to "Credit" or "Cred".
Yes... I am an American.
Yes... I am a fan of Science Fiction.

But why would you deliberately try to offend or insult me?

Kagetenshi View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 06:03 PM Post #18
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Tanka View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 06:04 PM Post #19
Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715	Xavier, I have news for you... SR was written in the 80's, when the biggest fear was that Japan would take over the world and force their currency (or some bastardization of it) on everyone -- hence nuyen. It is the way it is. Switching it to creds would require a total history re-write, thusly making it not Shadowrun, but SR-in-name-only. In your game, you can refer to it as creds. Nobody is stopping you. But why change the references in the corebook just to suit a few people? It makes no sense whatsoever.

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Mar 29 2005, 06:17 PM

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In your game, you can refer to it as creds. Nobody is stopping you. But why change the references in the corebook just to suit a few people? It makes no sense whatsoever.

You - and everyone else, hopefully - realize that...
In Shadowrun ... There is an item ... Called a "Cred Stick".

Yes - It's called the "Cred Stick", not the "Nuyen Stick".

Fancy, huh? ;)

Kagetenshi View Member Profile	Mar 29 2005, 06:24 PM Post #21
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QUOTE (Xavier Grimwand)

QUOTE (PBTHHHHT @ Mar 29 2005, 11:49 AM)

I view nuyen as a unique thing for Shadowrun.

Yes... Certainly... But it's a hideous hideous word!
Yuck! :dead:

Then use something else. You said yourself that your players already use 'dollars.' I doubt they'll change the whole system dating back to SR1 just because you don't like it, though.

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Mar 29 2005, 06:46 PM

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Yes, and Credit Cards are called Credit Cards, not Dollar Cards. Your point?

Well, no. The closest thing(s) to a Cred Stick are Debit Cards and Check Cards.

Credit Cards, as you say, assume you're spending someone else's money.

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Mar 29 2005, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE (Xavier Grimwand)

QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Mar 29 2005, 01:24 PM)

Yes, and Credit Cards are called Credit Cards, not Dollar Cards. Your point?

Well, no. The closest thing(s) to a Cred Stick are Debit Cards and Check Cards.

Credit Cards, as you say, assume you're spending someone else's money.

holy carp man. :eek:

He is saying that credit IS NOT CURRENCY so why would you call currency credit? or cred? Sheesh. :proof:

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Mar 29 2005, 06:56 PM

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He is saying that credit IS NOT CURRENCY so why would you call currency credit? or cred? Sheesh. :proof:

Haha... Good one. I didn't catch that.

Though, you are bending my words to make your own point...
But we all do that, so I can't be offended.

You'll note that I got to my "point" by referrencing the "Cred Sticks" of Shadowrun. They (Various Devs of Shadowrun) are calling currency "Cred". That is, as found in various flavor-text in the book(s).

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