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post Mar 30 2005, 04:02 PM
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In my opinion, wallets would have died out. What would you use them for?

Putting in credcards, UCAS dollars, a holograph of my wife and children, and all those nightclub membership cards? Granted, the wallet could also double as a pocket secretary, but the idea is to have all the official things you need in one handy format that does NOT require a data reader to be displayed (sure, I can save the holograph of wife and kids onto a cred stick, but what good is it there?).
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post Mar 30 2005, 04:13 PM
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What I liked about CredSticks is that in a lot of the art they were sharp and pointy. A pain to carry around in your pocket, but handy if you're out of other options for weapons. ;)
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post Mar 30 2005, 04:15 PM
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I think alot of people underestimate the subtle genious of credsticks, their practical and fluff purposes.
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post Mar 30 2005, 04:13 PM
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What I liked about CredSticks is that in a lot of the art they were sharp and pointy. A pain to carry around in your pocket, but handy if you're out of other options for weapons.

Yay! Currency you can kill with! Finally, I can say with good reason my money's blood stained!

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I think alot of people underestimate the subtle genious of credsticks, their practical and fluff purposes.

Would you mind telling?
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post Mar 30 2005, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (hermit)
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In my opinion, wallets would have died out. What would you use them for?

Putting in credcards

No such thing. Perhaps you mean credsticks? :P
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UCAS dollars

Not in general use.
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a holograph of my wife and children

Can easily go in a pocket somewhere, or even just get stored on your pocket secretary.
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and all those nightclub membership cards?

Probably just encoded onto the credstick. Faster and cheaper.

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post Mar 30 2005, 04:26 PM
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Especially easier to just encode it onto the credstick. If you're a member of the club, you get the special discount on cover charges. If you're not... Well, let's just say it's cheaper to go to a five-star restaurant with your weightlifting girlfriend.
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post Mar 30 2005, 04:39 PM
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i'm still trying to reconcile the greatness of the credstick within my own soul... but I shall try to put it into words.

Credsticks engender in myself and my players the same feeling that cash does in real life. When we are paid with a briefcase of certified credsticks it just gives us that warm fuzzy feeling in our tummies like that briefcase was actually full of bundled 100s. The genious of concept is that credsticks can be used as either a sexy,slim check book without the outmoded shape and writing...or used as cash to be carried about in large quantities whilst engaging in shady transactions to protect identities. It serves all the practical needs while giving those lovers of money any type of emotional fix they require from a currency all in one long, penlike, phallic symbol.
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post Mar 30 2005, 04:34 PM
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Actually, I tend to carry around $1,000 in hard cash for those "just in case" moments of purchasing something that could be tracked back to you via credstick purchases.
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post Mar 30 2005, 04:45 PM
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Certified cred.

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post Mar 30 2005, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
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UCAS dollars.

Not in general use.

Personal opinion or something from one of the books?
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post Mar 30 2005, 05:40 PM
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I'm not finding the quote on-hand, but I'm almost positive that it's canon that credsticks have almost entirely supplanted physical currency.

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post Mar 30 2005, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (Xavier Grimwand)
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Did you read my posts at all?...

I did. You do want the Credit introduced, though you also said you *use* the dollar as generic currency.

You didn't read my posts, then. Because I said that my fellow players called Nuyen "Dollars". They are new to SR, and so certain terms escape them.

And I'll even quote myself from the 1st page. :
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The players that I've played with tend to call Nuyen ( New Yen ) "Dollars".

So? I call dollars "bucks", "piastre" (in french), "smackers" and "tomatoes".

I hardly see a problem with some UCAS runners (players) calling Nuyen "dollars" when they don't have to be specific that they're dealing in Nuyen.
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post Mar 30 2005, 07:23 PM
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*waits for Kag to set them straight*


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post Mar 30 2005, 07:34 PM
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Got it: Sprawl Survival Guide, page 39: "Though finances have become more abstract over the last century, as electronic credit has gradually replaced cold hard cash". In the same book, page 91: "Panhandling's harder than it once was, now that we no longer use coins or hard cash."

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post Mar 30 2005, 07:44 PM
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wow!!! nuyen is generic, we use it every where almost as common as visa is now!

wouldn't catch me doing a run for any other form of payment! :S

It would be very wrong to get rid of it!!


:nuyen: :nuyen: :nuyen: :nuyen:

NUYEN forever!!!

Just my personal opinion!!

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post Mar 30 2005, 07:40 PM
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I'm not finding the quote on-hand, but I'm almost positive that it's canon that credsticks have almost entirely supplanted physical currency.

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disclaimer: this is from a German soucebook amde from NAN, NAN2 and NAGNA, so page numbers don't make sense to give. It's from NAGNA, I'd think.
Economy of the UCAS
(...)
The UCAS' currency is the dollar. Official exchange rates are about at :nuyen:1 = $5, exchange rates fluctuate every day by up to 20% plus or minus.
Almost all financial transactions are executed electronically and are under state surveillance.There is a flourishing shadow economy based on hard currency and corp script, despite the state's best attempts to supress it.

It makes sense the government wants you to pay only electronically. after all, you always leave a data trail that way, no matter whether you use SINed credsticks or checksticks. Hard currency is much harder to track, and hence, the government hates it, but cannot extinguish it either, because it makes bribing, black market business and generally illegal financial transfer that much easier. Paying in hard currency seems to be frowned upon, but not illegal. Hence, one could even expect banks to take those currencies, at least shadier banks.
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post Mar 30 2005, 07:58 PM
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Hence almost entirely. Certainly it wouldn't be a factor in the continued production of wallets (or lack thereof).

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post Mar 30 2005, 07:50 PM
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But there is a common and acceptable hard currency...it's called certified credsticks. They are paid for using registered cred and are the same exact thing as hard currency, whoever holds it owns the money in it without any kind of security measures.

I think some people maybe don't understand the difference between registered credsticks and certified credsticks.
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post Mar 30 2005, 08:07 PM
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So certified credsticks are basically chips with data on them symbolising a set amount of money, and don't come with any tracker, tag or serial number? Well, if you change the stick shape to soemthing less impractical, it would make perfect sense to have a wallet or soemthing for them.

Then again, maybe there could be something like a stick friendly wallet anyway. I doupt the wallet industry would just resign and die. ;)
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post Mar 30 2005, 08:12 PM
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No, they'd change and build them differently. We've already had a transition from wallets meant to be kept in coat pockets to wallets meant to be kept in back pockets. Sticks are very wallet-ish-friendly, having carried around upwards of a dozen pens and mechanical pencils in high school I feel I'm quite qualified to speak on convenience of stick-shaped objects.

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post Mar 30 2005, 08:18 PM
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I always imagined them the same size as the memory stick you can get for laptops, as sort of thing but not on a key ring?? (would be handy though)

torz x :D
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post Mar 30 2005, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
I'm not finding the quote on-hand, but I'm almost positive that it's canon that credsticks have almost entirely supplanted physical currency.

~J

I've always played under that assumption myself.
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post Mar 30 2005, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi)
I'm not finding the quote on-hand, but I'm almost positive that it's canon that credsticks have almost entirely supplanted physical currency.

Ah, I thought you meant that the UCAS dollar itself was mostly defunct rather than just physical currency.
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post Mar 30 2005, 09:57 PM
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Ah. Nope, it's still around.

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post Mar 31 2005, 12:43 AM
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Credstick bandoleer!!
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