Who's Going Down? |
Who's Going Down? |
Mar 29 2005, 08:28 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
So according to the blurb it mentions that one of the megas gets into a bad way and has to take desperate measures to survive and so far most seem to be assuming it's refering to Novatech. Aside from them, which other corps would you like to see - or could see - being the one in question?
Personally I'd like it to be Saedar-Krupp. Several of the books mention Lofwyr withdrawing from corp work and being distracted, thanks to draconic goings on like the Loremaster thing and the Jewel of Memory. Since he practically runs the show by micromanagement even with SK Prime picking up most of the slack he's still their biggest asset. His functioning at less than a hundred percent coupled with all the new and old enemies coming out of the woodwork could certainly hurt them, there's already been rumblings from within the senior management. It would certainly make things a little more interesting. :) |
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Mar 29 2005, 08:39 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Ares! Ares! Ares!
C'mon, let's see them go the way of the Universal Brotherhood. ~J |
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Mar 29 2005, 08:43 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Another good choice. If the affair from Threats gets too out of hand they may have to go to a scorched earth policy. As the quote goes, 'I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.' ;)
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Mar 29 2005, 08:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Detroit Member No.: 4,642 |
Not Ares! They're my groups major employer (check out my location). Send Mitsuhama down the tubes. Goodbye, generic Japanacorp.
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Mar 29 2005, 08:37 PM
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Hacker For Hire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 98 Joined: 15-March 05 From: Cyberia Member No.: 7,165 |
Split vote. Half for expecting Renraku to find out they are well and truly screwed, half for really wanting to watch the flaming trainwreck that would happen should Ares fracture.
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Mar 29 2005, 08:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
It depends on how much you buy into the horrible concept that Leonardo pretty much created all of Renraku's cool toys. If you can conveniently forget that metaplot then Renraku's still pretty decent despite getting gimped but if you can't forget it then Renraku should be excised to get rid of IE tech demigod taint ;)
Honestly I'd love to see a credible euro corp alternative to SK but that pretty much requires SK to be taken down a peg which seems unlikely to happen. Of course I'm tempted to do something like make CATco a French company as a quebecois megacorp is just too silly for me to handle from a macroeconomics perspective. |
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Mar 29 2005, 08:53 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
I don't think they'd let Ares fall if for no other reason all the guns they'd have to rename.
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Mar 29 2005, 09:01 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Ares Arms can be sold off and the brand would be worth millions. There's no need for Ares Macrotechnology to persist. ~J |
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Mar 29 2005, 09:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Well, it is clear that Nova Tech, or SK... both seem to have highly deadactated enimies with resources to burn.
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Mar 29 2005, 11:17 PM
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Knight Templar Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 212 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Ipswich, UK Just South of the Stinkfens Member No.: 6,424 |
Shiawase! Extraterritoriality is all their fault!
Don't get rid of S-K, Lofwyr is such a good enemy :S If Ares goes down the tube so does UCAS Aztechnology are the best evil corp around |
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Mar 29 2005, 11:23 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
And the problem with that is? Maybe California will invade Seattle and make Cynic happy. ~J |
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Mar 29 2005, 11:21 PM
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Knight Templar Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 212 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Ipswich, UK Just South of the Stinkfens Member No.: 6,424 |
If UCAS goes down the tube who will the Souix hate? Who will the CAS laugh at? With no UCAS, Seattle is just a little city state and will get absorbed. Lots of possibilities for Shadowruns disappear.
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Mar 29 2005, 11:21 PM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Maybe California will be nuked from the planet and make me happy :)
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Mar 29 2005, 11:28 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Renraku. It is struggling, and desperate. Novatech is a candidate too, but Renraku is more likely, considering their great losses in the whole Deus affair and all ... I mean, they cannot even force the UCAS military to give them back their arcology at cut prices, so they must have lost considerable behind-the-scenes power, right?
I'd like to see Ares fall, if only because a corp rising to AAA status with small arms sales is ludicrous, even if they had a monopoly on the US market. Small arms aren't really big business. But that's not gonna happen. SK will likely get bashed, but will it fall? Hopefully not. I have always loved the idea of a giant, golden-scaled, cliche fantasy dragon flying into his lair, settling in front of a meeting table, staring at the assembled business types there, and say "Now, let's talk about my investment strategy ..." |
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Mar 29 2005, 11:39 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
If I got to choose it'd be Novatech. And CATco.
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Mar 29 2005, 11:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 130 Joined: 25-February 05 Member No.: 7,119 |
My bet would be either Novatech or Renraku as the most likely corp to have serious problems in the next five years. They've already got Novatech in trouble with the current metaplot, so it's easy to see how a matrix crash could really hurt them. Renraku also isn't as healthy as it used to be, and is heavily invested in matrix technology.
I seriously doubt Saeder-Krupp will be in jeopardy. Lofwyr may be distracted, but I'd still bet on a distracted Lofwyr vs. any other CEO at the top of his game any day of the week. Also, SK is diversified, with a strong interest in heavy industry. It's far less vulnerable to a major system crash than other megacorps. Finally, an unlikely but interesting choice would be Aztechnology. They've gotten bogged down in the Yucatan, kicked out of Denver, and they do have formidable matrix assets. It would also have far-reaching consequences on the North American continent if Aztechnology came close to collapsing. However, I don't think it'll be them since they're NOT the most vulnerable corp to a crash, and they do have very diversified and strong interests. People aren't going to stop eating Stuff-it burgers just because the matrix is down. |
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Mar 29 2005, 11:56 PM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Hmmmm. I actually think Novatech could have a large part in the building of the "new" matrix. However, the way things are going with that ridiculous Denkwalther crap, prolly not.
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Mar 30 2005, 12:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 130 Joined: 25-February 05 Member No.: 7,119 |
Yeah, that's the kicker. Any corp heavily into the matrix would be hurt the most by it's crashing. However, corps into the matrix are the ones who'd be best able to rebuild it (and thereby rake in huge profits). I still think it's either going to be Novatech or Renraku, since they're both matrix corps that are hurt enough that they might not be able to recover in time to profit from Matrix 2.0 |
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Mar 30 2005, 12:10 AM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
The new Matrix will be built by Transys, because the WMI is Celedyr's pet project. Actually, I think Transys might become a new AAA.
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Mar 30 2005, 12:06 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
The last thing I want to see is another AAA Dragon-corp. One is enough.
But you make a hell of a point! |
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Mar 30 2005, 12:08 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
I can't find the blurb where it talks about one of the corps on the brink and having to take drastic action to survive, but does it say that the matrix going down is actually involved with it? Could be two seperate events that people are just putting together. Whilst Lofwyr is good, he's got all the AA corps of Europe after him with Spinrad leading the charge, the Mega's will come in if they see an opening and he's also got other dragons like Celedyr possible arrayed against him as well which helps alleviate the great dragons uber alles bit. The problem with SK though is that it is Lofwyr. The two are so enmeshed that if he has a bad day or gets distracted with other things for a long period they'll suffer. Just got different views on it I guess. :)
I thought it was Erika's baby? Or is he in on it as a joint venture, I can't remember? |
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Mar 30 2005, 12:18 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Actually, it just says that a struggling corp takes a drastic step, doesn't it? What if the Azzies pull the plug to keep aid out of the Yucatan?
~J "Bomb Cambodia!" |
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Mar 30 2005, 12:21 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Aheh-heh-heh... I just pictured all the screams of outrage if the new Matrix paradigm turned out to be down to Leonardo and his IE tech demigod l337 5ki11z... :cyber: |
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Mar 30 2005, 12:22 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Maybe they get desperate and decide to go the WMD route. Drop a mix of nukes and massive fuck off size FAE bombs on the Yucatan and turn it into a complete wasteland with nothing standing. Or release a new gengineered version of Ebola, new Ebola Plus+.
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Mar 30 2005, 12:37 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Just stick with the nukes. Apart from the problems with very large explosive devices without their own oxidizers, I doubt conventional explosives can ever achieve the same cost effectiveness as nukes (or BC-weapons, like you mentioned) for wiping out large land areas. (Sorry for not contributing to the actual thread. "Huge FAE bombs" just seem to be spreading on Dumpshock, and I figured it's time someone fought back.) |
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