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 Mar 30 2005, 04:35 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,709  |
Lofwyr and S-K were fine how they were, so short of pandering to europeans I don't see any reason for the dragon to take any serious hits.
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Mar 30 2005, 04:46 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
Well, see, SR is apparently massively-European in market, so I would expect pandering to them.
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Mar 30 2005, 04:56 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-February 05 From: São Paulo, Brazil Member No.: 7,115 |
My money is on Cross Applied Technology. It has a good backstory, but I don't think it can stand up to the trouble ahead AND deal with Damien Knight sucker-punching them at every turn.
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Mar 30 2005, 04:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,709 |
I expect it too. But that doesn't mean it's good.
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Mar 30 2005, 06:30 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Nadja Daviar. Who else? |
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Mar 30 2005, 06:32 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Mmm, luscious gams.
~J |
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Mar 30 2005, 06:57 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 16-March 05 Member No.: 7,178 |
It would suck if SK and Lofwyr lost their hold on Europe they are a great background plot device, and a great source for runs!
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Mar 30 2005, 07:29 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Does the presence of CATco mean Ares isn't THE dominant corporation in much of North America (namely UCAS/CAS)? However, SK has been overplayed a tad. All I am saying is that scaling them back a little and admiting there actually are non-SK corporations in Europe would be a good thing. |
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Mar 30 2005, 07:31 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
I have no idea where you're getting this idea. Care to clarify? As for pandering, believe it or not, you really don't need to pander anyone but Rob (and even then it doesn't seem to work) if you're actually writing the stuff. As to why you'd think Europeans would like to see Lofwyr taken down I really have no idea. S-K and Lofwyr are most people's favorite corp and GD respectively over here, so I suggest you check your facts before making remarks like that. |
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Mar 30 2005, 07:45 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I can certainly back you up on that one. |
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Mar 30 2005, 07:48 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Yup. Golden Snout definitly is cool. It's just that I think there's more to Europena coportaions than SK and Proteus (anyone know what they make the heaps of money with they blow on Arcologies like there's no tomorrow?). |
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Mar 30 2005, 08:07 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Yup i'd have to go with that. 90% of the players i know at least like Saeder-Krupp/ Lofwyr. As mentioned SK could take a hit and perhaps be knocked of top spot due in part to the WMI but needing to take drastic measure's?? I doubt that. And as for another AAA in Europe, is it really big enough? (I'm also of the belief that Japan has too many, among other points) |
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Mar 30 2005, 08:02 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
Europe has more people than there are in North America including Aztlan (that would be around 300 Million, Europe today has 450, cut 30 due to VITAS and you're at 420). Furthermore, the countries there are more or less wealthy too, just like in NA. North America can (including Aztlan) support three megacorps (four if you count Novatech). Japan alone can support 3 (4 if you count Yamatetsu before moving). I doupt another European AAA would be impossible in that setting. |
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Mar 30 2005, 08:05 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Again, though, you're overlooking how much bigger and less friendly that one is than everything else.
You're also overlooking the large chunks of Europe that are now uninhabitable. ~J |
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Mar 30 2005, 08:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
I do have some problems with the world's largest corporation being privately held by a single shareholder but I've generally assumed that rather than having 100% ownership he's the primary known shareholder in what is pretty much a holding company that holds a variety of stakes in a huge number of subsidiary corporations.
Other than some quibbling details with the structure of the company the overall corporation makes a good deal of sense in terms of having a very distributed asset pool. However I would love to see one or more rival Eurocorps be developed. Of course I'd like more US centered megacorps as well but unless you want to have dramatic increases in the total number of AAAs to reflect that you'd inevitably have to kill some people's favorites. |
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Mar 30 2005, 08:17 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
If Novatech could rise to AAA status against ares, I guess some corporation could, if aided by the ruckis with all that MAtrix breakdown, get AAA status in europe, regardless of how much Golden Snout hates their guts for that. And if that corp was Transsys, he'd be up against someone of his own kind, and I doupt he'll be as lucky as with Nachtmeister again.
Which would be ....? The SOX and those parts of Britain now wildlands/stinkfens? That's not really large. Propably there're toxic zones that size in the UCAS' borderlands to, we just don't know about them because the information about this region is kinda blurry. |
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Mar 30 2005, 08:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
If you look at where the world's largest companies are now (not that there wouldn't be some changes within the next 50 or so years) roughly 40% are located in the the US and Canada, about 35% are in Europe and about 20% are in Asia (less than 10% in Japan). While India and China would likely see increases in overall the totals would likely remain pretty much similar to this in 2050.
Note if you look at the largest 10-20 companies (the most likely predecessors of SR megacorps) the UCAS and EU should have the vast majority of megacorps. |
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Mar 30 2005, 08:40 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Based on their asset rating totals, the breakdown of the Big 10 share is as follows:
North America: 318 Europe: 91 Asia (including Yamatetsu): 420 ~J |
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Mar 30 2005, 08:56 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
As was clarified in SoE, Europe has a relatively high density of second and third-tier companies and a slightly more fragmented market ecology -which means corps are less monolithic and more specialized which impacts their overall CC Ratings. This hasn't helped these corps make a big splash internationally although a few have (Z-IC, the FBV, Proteus, Transys, HKB and now Erika come to mind). SoE highlights the top 15, but more than 30 are mentioned in the various chapters there's no particular shortage of corporations to play with.
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Mar 30 2005, 09:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
At one point in time I was interested in trying to map asset totals to current companies (variously using 5-10 billion $ of marketvalue or sales for each asset point) of course even assuming that the development of the matrix and biotech/cyberware allows massive changes in certain sectors and magic has no real world analog it became a pretty interesting exercise.
The things that really bug me of course are the assertions that the big 10 control more assets than all other companies combined which represents such an insane collection of wealth as to be almost ludicrous. Of course trying to reflect real world macroeconomics is not the interest of most gamers so I've never bitch too much about it ;) |
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Mar 30 2005, 09:34 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Japan, had become the world power for more than 40 years, spawning 4 AAA, taking over large parts of the world. No nothing good happened there.
China, has the PPG, Wuxing, a great dragon who is actively trying to reform it. No nothing good. Africa, is a hell hole now, and hasn't changed. big deal. Demnark is not even half the size of LA, and LA wile it doesn't have "toxic" waste is largely over ran by gantars... boy. It also is part of the sandaavien Union, witch seems to be a large enough economic power house to have sway in the world around it. Mexico, once a third world nation is the home base of one largest AAA's in the world, living condistions have largely improved. It also has had enough power thrust on to it, that it can hold it own vrs, the NAN, CAS and the CFS(By the way, the border with CFS was such a joke, that it is now safer being maned the PCC. The PCC having less people than LA county, after it took LA over.). If it only seized San Diego, it would have had more good fortunes that the whole of CFS, but is also gain large areas of Texas, and a lot of lands to the south. Aztlan, is getting hit hard now. But it has not always been that way. So, yes, other part of the world have it bad, but for most part everywhere has improved if even for a short time. And those that haven't improved, tend to simply changed in how they are messed up. CFS has just got pure and simply fucked up. It started out getting kicked in the crotch and then things got ugly. |
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Mar 30 2005, 09:28 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Just as long at isn't on Rayn.... |
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Mar 30 2005, 09:53 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
What, really? From an european point of view, denmark has a good size. And you need some more hours to drive from the southern border to copenhagen in the north. And LA should be two times its size? It's hard to believe for me. :eek: |
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Mar 30 2005, 10:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,709 |
Population-wise. Currently, Denmark has a population of a little more than 5 million. The LA metropolitan area has just shy of 17 million people.
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Mar 30 2005, 10:08 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
To drive threw LA county going at street legal speeds takes up to 14 hours. LA county upwards of the low 200 mile range across. Has an 8 figure pop. |
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