 The up-side of SR4, Wait and see |
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 Mar 30 2005, 05:19 AM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191  |
I've seen many, many people posting about how much they love SR3 and that they're distrustful of SR4. Well, SR3 was a bit of a departure from SR2 and WAY off from SR1. Change can be good. Just because things are evolving, doesn't mean that Shadowrun is going to be a totally different, unplayable game now. Give SR4 a chance before you get all pissed off. Wait until you KNOW FOR A FACT what has changed and HOW IT HAS CHANGED before you judge it. I think that the developers have earned a little trust, don't you? Aren't they entitled to the benefit of the doubt? Haven't they proved that they know what they're doing?
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Mar 30 2005, 05:23 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
They haven't, not really, and...I'm a cynic about such things.
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Mar 30 2005, 05:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 90 |
Not after this 'hackers' name change crap they haven't.
And I'm starting not to like the hints being dropped of the change in dice mechanics either. |
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Mar 30 2005, 05:35 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
They changed a name and they updated some tech. That's so catastrophic that everyone has their undies in a bunch? Calm down, for God's sake. It's not the end of the gaming world.
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Mar 30 2005, 05:28 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
I can't agree either— and hell, I like the hackers name change and the furor over it is getting pretty damned annoying. I simply haven't seen much from these guys, and neither have the rest of you. Recent FanPro work has been better, yes. Certainly a step up from the disastrous crap that somehow passed for publication when Mulvihill was around. I'll admit I'm reasonably optimistic about this, and I do think people have been unreasonably quick to jump at current devs and declare them false prophets and all the other silly bullshit that's been flying lately. But I'm not going to advise blind faith, either. That's a bit too far in the opposite direction.
That said, the blind judgement a lot of people have been getting into lately needs to stop. That shit's just as narrowminded, and arguably more annoying. |
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Mar 30 2005, 05:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,784 |
Take it with a grain of salt Smiley! What the heck else would we be talking about? Its the old story about headlines; "Planet Doomed" is news, "Planet A-OK" is just not as interesting.
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Mar 30 2005, 05:43 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
I think this is the first time me and Arethusa have been totally on the same page. I'm not advising towards blind faith either, I'm just saying that the developers have earned the benefit of the doubt and that everyone should wait for more info before they start rending their garments and decrying SR4. |
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Mar 30 2005, 05:39 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 28-March 05 Member No.: 7,251 |
Well, I love every change so far - even the change of deckers to hackers. I have complete faith in the design team. The Horror |
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Mar 30 2005, 06:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,144 Joined: 22-September 04 Member No.: 6,690 |
What could we do to amuse ourselves if we didn't have gems of irrational, seething, rage, like the guy who posted the,"Opinion? Yeah, I got one?" thread?
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Mar 30 2005, 06:19 AM
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UMS O.G. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 444 Joined: 18-May 04 Member No.: 6,335 |
As long as we are talking upside, anyone wanna take a bet on wether or not the invisibility question gets resolved?
Also, the FAQ no longer applies. :grinbig: |
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Mar 30 2005, 07:36 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
You mean the FAQ that when they updated it on 3/1/05, no longer had any wording to the effect "There are no plans for SR4 at this time"? Which was aproximately two weeks before they even made a formal anouncement that SR4 was coming? That FAQ? |
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Mar 30 2005, 09:46 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: 27-April 03 Member No.: 4,519 |
Hey guys,
It just occurred to me. Isn't it April Fool's Day in two day's time? |
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Mar 30 2005, 10:05 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Boy, you're right! They sure pulled a fast one on us. I just wish I could see the looks on the playtester's and developer's faces when someone tells them the whole thing's just a joke!
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Mar 30 2005, 12:24 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 20-March 05 Member No.: 7,199 |
huzzah for internet fora where anybody and everybody can get as worked up as they want to about whatever they want! it's people who have nagging doubts and concerns mixed with people who take things too seriously and others who are just bored. all in all, we can't really discuss all the things good, bad and ugly until we've got the finished product - and to while away the time we discuss all sorts of things.. whatever comes to mind.. it's a great way to generate interest and to get the masses hyped up about the coming new addition. at times I find myself remembering how worked up people got because of the millenium - oh knows.. the Y2K bug that will spread disaster and mayhem!!one!eleven in a couple of years most if not all people will chuckle over the "issues" discussed here.. I think there a few who are laughing already (not me, I just have a little giggle now and then) |
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Mar 30 2005, 01:18 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
I'll give SR4 a chance. There are things to be changed, a lot imo. We'll see if we like the changes rob and his boys are doing. If not - well, nobody has to use them. ;)
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Mar 30 2005, 03:00 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
Yea, or buy them.
Which means SR folds again, and now we don't even get SR3. |
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Mar 30 2005, 03:08 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
how exactly does the introduction of SR4 invalidate all of the materials of SR3 you have? just because the new edition comes out, doesnt mean you can't continue with the sr 3 things until you hear/make opinions on sr4. Hell, in That Game that Shalt Not be Mentioned™, theres still people playing FIRST edition! |
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Mar 30 2005, 03:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
Actually plenty of people still play basic dnd but that's besides the point. Personally I'll give it a shot see if I like the rules and setting. Honestly I expect to probably have something akin to using the SR4 ruleset with a revised SR3 setting but that's just me. Of course at a certain point in time that pretty much kills adventure and sourcebook sales but that's an industry wide problem atm.
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Mar 30 2005, 03:38 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
Because if SR4 tanks bad enough, and FanPro is counting on SR4 to keep the product line viable, then they won't be around to keep producing SR3 products. Nobody said anything about not being able to use existing books. Except you. |
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Mar 30 2005, 03:47 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
and thats my point, if people are still playing a ruleset that had a fighter, mage, cleric, thief, elf and dwarf as playable CLASSES, well, i think you'll be able to manage with sr3 if you don't like the direction sr4 goes. After all, they haven't had any sort of setting upgrade for what? nearly 20 years?
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Mar 30 2005, 03:41 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
And if you asked those guys if they would like to get a new book now and then, what would they say?
My point is that there's nothing wrong with people being apprehensive about the SR4 changes. Because who knows what can happen if it doesn't sell. |
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Mar 30 2005, 04:13 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 23-January 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 7,007 |
We Fear Change. :|
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Mar 30 2005, 04:14 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
I dont know what they'd say, but i can tell you it's generally not profitable for a gaming company to continue making products for obsolete (in their minds) products. I'm sure the number of people playing dnd/adnd/ even 3.0 is a small minority. Writing, printing and distributing books is expensive.
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Mar 30 2005, 04:38 PM
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Knight Templar Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 212 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Ipswich, UK Just South of the Stinkfens Member No.: 6,424 |
Remember, inside every silver lining is a cloud. :cyber:
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Mar 30 2005, 05:12 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
Maybe I'm not making myself clear. FanPro continues to make SR3. They continue to sell books and make a profit (at least, I hope they are currently in the black at the moment, if not, maybe that is the driving force behind SR4). Or FanPro makes SR4. SR4 tanks (hope not), and FanPro goes the way of the dodo. Now we don't have any new SR, of any version. So, people with concerns about SR4 changes are right (or at least have the right)to voice them, without being considered rude or dumb or whatever. That's all. |
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