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post Apr 10 2005, 05:21 AM
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Okay. Why do I bother with this? Because apparently I need a quick fix as a player of mine was in a club and decided to break dance.

Breakdancing: The skill where you do all kinds of crazy dances.
Defaults to (skills, -3): Athletics (default to Gymnastics for only -1), Unarmed Combat
Defaults to Quickness attribute.

Yeah, its kinda convoluted, but think about it - Many break-dancing moves are based on gymnastics and kicks and stuff, soooo that's why the defaults are the way they are. I'm sure there can be specializations but I don't know enough about breakdancing to do them. I'd probably say you could specialize in the "Worm" or the "Headspin" but meh, you get the idea.

Anyway this is just a fun skill. The way a breakdance battle works is to act as if doing an unarmed combat exchange, target number 4 and whoever has more successes wins.
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post Apr 10 2005, 05:42 AM
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I'd just use the canon Dancing Skill, which is a Knowledge Skill. Breakdancing could be a specialization of that.
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post Apr 10 2005, 05:48 AM
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so what's the karma cost for increasing a sepcialization ofa knowledge skill then?
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post Apr 10 2005, 05:50 AM
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Eh? But the way I've been taught, knowledge skills can't be used as actives. Then again I wouldn't be terribly surprised...
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post Apr 10 2005, 06:07 AM
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Knowledge Skills in SR3 should really be named 'Not overly useful in a Shadowrun situation' Skills. They are not necessarily all linked to book learning, but are rather all lumped into a catch-all category of miscellaneous skills. SotA 63 (?) states that skills like Singing, Dancing, Art, and other skills that can be linked to Centering are all Knowledge skills.

IIRC, Knowledge Specialization costs are 0.5 times the new skill level up to Intelligence, and 1.5 times the new level when exceeding Intelligence.
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post Apr 10 2005, 06:18 AM
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We always use pretty specific 'Not overly useful in a Shadowrun situation' Skills in our game, so never even thought about specializing in one before. Nice, get a rank 6 skill for 3 karma. Must be really easy to break dance! ;)
For Shadowrunners anyways.
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post Apr 10 2005, 06:37 AM
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QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0 @ Apr 10 2005, 01:18 AM)
We always use pretty specific 'Not overly useful in a Shadowrun situation' Skills in our game, so never even thought about specializing in one before. Nice, get a rank 6 skill for 3 karma. Must be really easy to break dance!  ;)
For Shadowrunners anyways.

Umm, you mean 14 Karma, right? That's how much it takes to get a Dance 3 (Breakdancing 6) knowledge skill, with a 6 Intelligence. Remember, specializations cannot exceed twice the general skill with the exception of a general skill of 1 and specialization of 3.

All Performance/Artistic skills are Knowledge skills in SR. I suppose you can use an Athletics test with the Breakdancing as a complementary skill if you are doing some acrobatic thang with a breakdancing twist.
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post Apr 10 2005, 06:38 AM
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yes sensei, that is what I meant. I am much chastised. *hangs head in shame*
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post Apr 10 2005, 06:39 AM
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It could also be linked to a specific unarmed combat style, capueda. (I know I'm not spelling that right, it's from Brazil.)
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post Apr 10 2005, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE (Mortax)
It could also be linked to a specific unarmed combat style, capueda. (I know I'm not spelling that right, it's from Brazil.)

Capoiera?
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post Apr 10 2005, 06:45 AM
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say... as an adept's centering skill for unarmed/ capoiera?
That would be interesting
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post Apr 10 2005, 08:21 AM
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Meh, silly rules and their "only if it ain't useful" style. Furthermore, silly me for being awake at 4:20 and pegged with this rush of energy.

I like Breakdancing. I reallly do :)
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post Apr 10 2005, 08:41 AM
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Look at it this way. You still get the skill, abd you can raise it for less karma.
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post Apr 10 2005, 05:41 PM
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:D

Breakdancers Of Death Attack!

Much better than faceless ninja thugs. :D
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post May 9 2005, 04:39 AM
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QUOTE (Grinder)
:D

Breakdancers Of Death Attack!

Much better than faceless ninja thugs. :D

The funny part is, my current PC has a 6 in breakdancing AND Capoeira. There's nothing less fun than being ambushed while breakdancing, unless breakdancing and unholy-fast unarmed combat are synonymous.

I have a feeling that these will come in handy at some point...
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post May 9 2005, 05:02 AM
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If you've ever seen/practiced capoeira, you'll understand why it's really quite distinct from breakdancing. They're definitely similar, but you sure as hell won't be breakdancing to kick ass.
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post May 9 2005, 07:33 AM
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SPIN ass, maybe... Kick ass...no.
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post May 9 2005, 08:52 AM
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Wow. I thought this topic was KIA already LOL
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post May 9 2005, 09:31 AM
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Should have been. But dark necromancy is pretty much the only thing keeping Dumpshock running these days, and it's bound to spill over into posting habits of the inconsiderate.
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post May 9 2005, 06:44 PM
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Dancing =/= hand to hand combat. Otherwise, ballerinas would be deadly, as would gymnasts.

Yes, it is true that a gymnast or ballerina would be a bit more dangerous if he or she decided to fight back...the ballerina would have the muscles to kick you pretty hard.

The thing is, though, that unless they're psychologically and reflexively ready for hand to hand combat through hand to hand combat training it would still be a lot easier to overwhelm them with a sudden hand to hand assault from a trained individual. It's like the attributes are there but not the skills and mentality.
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post May 9 2005, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin)
Dancing =/= hand to hand combat. Otherwise, ballerinas would be deadly, as would gymnasts.

Yes, it is true that a gymnast or ballerina would be a bit more dangerous if he or she decided to fight back...the ballerina would have the muscles to kick you pretty hard.

The thing is, though, that unless they're psychologically and reflexively ready for hand to hand combat through hand to hand combat training it would still be a lot easier to overwhelm them with a sudden hand to hand assault from a trained individual. It's like the attributes are there but not the skills and mentality.
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post May 9 2005, 07:25 PM
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Aha, but in Gymkata, Kurt Thomas needed to also train with "Western Trainer" and "Eastern Trainer" (portrayed wonderfully by Tadashi Yamashita: "heal the onry sound of axe cutting ailu") before he could employ the deadly art of Gymkata.

As the movie poster says, "The Skill of Gymnastics, The Kill of Karate".

That being said, in any game I run I accept "Gymkata" as equivalent to Unarmed Combat.

Also, I just realized that if it were Sho Kosugi in that film instead of Kurt Thomas, Sho Kosugi would have effortlessly pwned all the bad guys, because he has Missile Parry, but Kurt Thomas dosen't. Like, all those dramatic points where someone gets hit by an arrow and dies? ("Arrow!") Sho Kosugi would just catch them all.
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post May 9 2005, 08:59 PM
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You mean Jean Claude van Damme isn't a complete and total badass in real life?

:D

I still remember some crap about him thinking that he could kick Steven Seagal's ass... Dude, you're a fragging ballerina. He's a black-belt in (Jujutsu was it?). Yeah, you're toast....


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post May 9 2005, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE (The Other DSE)
You mean Jean Claude van Damme isn't a complete and total badass in real life?

:D

I still remember some crap about him thinking that he could kick Steven Seagal's ass... Dude, you're a fragging ballerina. He's a black-belt in (Jujutsu was it?). Yeah, you're toast....

I remember that interview. The problem was that I also heard (3rd-hand, bear w/ me and correct if you know otherwise) that van Damme never did document whether he actually studied martial arts at all (ie, which teachers, who certified him, etc), whereas Seagal, bad acting aside, is a 6th-dan Akido fighter, with the credentialed teachers to back it up.

For all that, Chuck Norris probably could kick van Damme's rear end, given that he's, what, a 6-time (?) undefeated kick-boxer champ before he turned to showbiz.
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