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 Apr 16 2005, 03:42 AM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775  |
Seriously, there's no reason not to allow them. I know there's been concern over abuse, but come on: you're not stupid, we're not stupid, and this community's generally more decent and mature than many that get by fine with many more abusable features. I think it's a pretty reasonable request. Possibly for when the boards get revamped for SR4, in case it's a problem with the board skin?
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Apr 16 2005, 04:42 AM
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The Ghost in our Machine Group: Retired Admins Posts: 166 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Unlisted Datastore Member No.: 52 |
If, and this is a gigantic if, we were to consider allowing image tags they would be on a zero-tolerance policy for a while. One misuse would get them disabled everywhere permanently and then we'd be dealing with the backlash from that. I'm not sure that it's worth it, but I'm willing to at least think about it a little and discuss it with the other admins.
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Apr 16 2005, 05:00 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
What are image tags? (excuse my computer ignorance)
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Apr 16 2005, 05:18 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
They allow a person to imbed images in posts and sigs. I don't really look forward to this feature being added here.
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Apr 16 2005, 05:24 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
[img] bbcode (or <img> html) tags that allow you to insert an image directly into your post instead of only linking to it. Obviously, this opens up some potential for abuse.
Basher, in all seriousness, you don't find the attitude taken by the admins here to be unnecessarily restrictive? Dumpshock may not be the most pleasant and mature online community ever, but it is a pretty decent place and far better than most others I've ever come across. While I can see (somewhat) where you're coming from, unless there was some incredible cataclysm in Dumpshock history I'm not aware of (possible), it still seems very irrational to me. |
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Apr 16 2005, 05:30 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
I'd prolly have to pass on that as well. I'd prefer just linking to the image how it is now (if anything to decrease load time).
I like the "streamlined" look of the forums (Just text. I had to use this month's buzzword, sorry.) |
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Apr 16 2005, 05:35 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
It's not like images are going to be thrown all over the place. Still no image sigs and avatars (which I admittedly don't hate as much Adam and others seem to, but I can understand why they do). Really, it's just nice to be able to format them into posts and such when it comes up (and the occasional joke, etc).
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Apr 16 2005, 05:37 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
And that right there I think is what the problem is. Once one person does it for joke, it opens the door for any and everyone to do it. Some people have limited bandwidth, and images chew through it much faster than mere text. |
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Apr 16 2005, 05:55 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Seriously, those people have already learned to turn of all images while browsing. They're an incredible minority. I'm on 56k, so it's not like everything's super fast for me, even if I don't have limited (total) bandwidth. I don't mind. There is a point where Dumpshock seems to go too far in worrying about things that need not be problems elsewhere on the internet, and I think this is one.
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Apr 16 2005, 09:50 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
I can see some uses for inline images. I'm not totally opposed to it, but I do think one of the reasons why Dumpshock is a generally mature community [we can SPELL here, and make full sentences with proper punctuation - and I like that!] is there aren't a lot of fluffy features. You're either here to read about Shadowrun, write about Shadowrun, or play/run Shadowrun games. That's it - and that's the way we like it.
Inline images are worth considering, though. But the moment I see something like this -- http://www.dancingdevil.net/downloads/fatt...tyfatfatfat.gif posted to the forums, I go apeshit with anger. :-) |
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Apr 16 2005, 03:53 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I see that as being the direct result of Dumpshock having administrators who are actually competent and professional, personally. It's depressingly rare. My vote is against image tags. There's no good reason for it, and several good ones against. ~J |
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Apr 16 2005, 07:13 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
I would say administrators who care and are well intentioned, but unreasonably overprotective (viz fear of image tags, fear of off topic forum, etc)— but it's not like they're the only ones worried about the mutually assured destruction that will clearly result if image tags and an off topic forum were ever allowed. There's a culture here of unnecessary worry about unimaginable evils kept at bay only because the community is limited in, I don't know, its capacity to use basic image tags and an off topic forum, or whatever. I don't want to come off as too aggressive here, which is not my intent, but it is very frustrating and patently absurd to believe that a community is only worthwhile, civil, and pleasant because it is not allowed to use images or an off topic forum.
If that 'we' refers to the administration, then alright, but I think you and everyone else would have to admit that that does not include the entire community when you consider that threads can and rather often do go wildly off topic, among other things. |
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Apr 16 2005, 09:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 369 Joined: 1-September 03 From: New York State Member No.: 5,563 |
Here's a good reason for not having image tags. Most if not all are crap. And they take up space better used for other things.
Thanos |
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Apr 17 2005, 12:20 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
An 'off-topic' forum is a different matter, and one that I can agree with you on. I wouldn't mind seeing the Lounge return. |
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Apr 17 2005, 12:26 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
We've done the off-topic forum thing twice, in two different decades, and both times found it to be more trouble than it was worth -- and the second time it was removed, the amount of relevant SR postings went up by a fair degree.
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Apr 17 2005, 12:47 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
I realize they are distinct, but the arguments against it that have been raised here are really pretty similar to the ones that have been used against implementing other board features.
Did you ever consider opening up moderator duties to the community? And I'm sure opening up an Off Topic forum would cut down somewhat on the volue of the main SR forum. I would disagree that that is necessarily bad. |
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Apr 17 2005, 04:17 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Oh, I know, and I understand the reasons for its removal. I just wouldn't mind it being brought back despite the problems. |
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Apr 18 2005, 08:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Detroit Member No.: 4,642 |
Over the past few weeks I have been looking at a few different forums (mostly Heroclix and comics but a few RPG) and I have to say that I cannot abide to read them for more than a few posts at at time. The horrible typing and hysterical nature of the posts just grate on my nerves. DS is an oasis of civility and calm for me. Please, do not bring back a non RPG forum. I much prefer DS without it. If I want to argue with people I never met about religion or politics or music or whatever, I'll go to the coffee house. DS is one of the few places where I can get truly good discussion on SR with ideas generated outside of our gaming group.
As far as image posting goes, I would like it for myself (I draw a little,) but I would rather not have it than to see it abused even a little. I think avatars, on the other hand, are kind of neat. Like a graphic sig, they let everyone see a little of your personality. I don't really think they would all that much to DS, however, so I can live without them if it's too much trouble. |
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Apr 18 2005, 09:25 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Would you really be forced to read anything in a totally seperate non-rpg forum against your will? |
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Apr 18 2005, 09:49 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Personally, I'm against image tags being enabled. I just don't find them at all neccessary.
And for an OT Forum... No. If you want OT, go to Bulldrek. Dumpshock has always been just Shadowrun since the day I joined, and I personally want to see it stay that way. |
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Apr 18 2005, 11:39 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Bulldrek sucks! And the fact that Dumpshock has only recently been Shadowrun-only is immaterial. It has had a long history of including a Lounge-style forum, and there are many members here that I would like to include in discussions outside of Shadowrun itself. Be that as it may though, it isn't a huge factor for me. It's just something that I miss from previous times. |
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Apr 19 2005, 02:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Detroit Member No.: 4,642 |
Well, I do like a good argument, but I suppose I wouldn't be forced to look at non-SR forums. My point was that I don't feel they add anything to DS. If they were added back, I wouldn't be too upset, just a little dissapointed. Life would go on. |
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Apr 19 2005, 03:24 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
Disappointed with what, exactly? Basically nothing happens outside of the SR forum and it's subforums to the point where my bookmark takes me to the SR forum and not the index. If you really don't want to notice an off topic lounge, you really can easily do that.
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Apr 19 2005, 04:06 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
There are enough OT forums out there that Dumpshock -- a Shadowrun-specific forum -- doesn't need its own.
While there may have been a Lounge in the past, I can't see why it's neccessary. |
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Apr 19 2005, 04:35 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
If an off topic forum is separate, it is by definition a separate community. This defeats the point of creating an in community off topic forum for Dumpshock.
And don't give me any bullshit about Bulldrek. That place is a shithole. |
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