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post Apr 22 2005, 05:55 PM
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Sayid Mujtaba Musawi

This guy ranks in at number 5, and it mentions that Argus has placed a price on his head. Anybody got any idea how much this price would reasonably be? If so, would it be plausible that a "western" government might pay more?
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post Apr 22 2005, 06:58 PM
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Well, considering how the Olympic Park VITAS-bombing mastermind only has a 50k price on his head, I'd suggest about 50k.
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post Apr 22 2005, 07:07 PM
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how cheap ... I mean, every somewhat senior el Quaida goon has a rice tag in the millions. And a government, even a defunct one, still can muster enormous funds if it really wants to. 500K at least.
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post Apr 22 2005, 07:09 PM
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Yeah, if the Draco Foundation could muster up 1 million nuyen for the top ten Blood/Toxic Mages out there, why would you go after a "regular" terrorist? :D Just Kidding.
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post Apr 22 2005, 07:09 PM
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Well, it wouldn't be the first time it was a typo if it happened once. But in two different books, I just think they are low-balling it for a reason.
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post Apr 22 2005, 08:12 PM
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Plus bombing an international peace conference tends to nark people off a bit so I wouldn't say less than at least a hundred grand. Nuyen or local currency though is the question.
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post Apr 22 2005, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0)
Well, it wouldn't be the first time it was a typo if it happened once. But in two different books, I just think they are low-balling it for a reason.

Yeah, like the "standard" shadowrun payments.
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post Apr 22 2005, 08:17 PM
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Maybe the first reference was a typo, and the second was due to the author looking the price up in whereever the first (typo'd) number was printed?
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post Apr 22 2005, 11:21 PM
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Well, my point is this:

Maybe Europol doesn't want him caught.
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When I read threads like this, I feel the Sourcebook writers should troll here to steal our comments for Shadowland flavor-text.
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post Apr 23 2005, 01:12 AM
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Wow, 50k. IIRC 1 nuyen is about 5 UCAS dollars? So that's still only a quarter mil.

Horrible...just horrible. I would think the families of the diplomats who were killed would muster more than that.

So, according to those who have commented, somewhere between 50k and 500k?

QUOTE (Crimsondude 2.0)
Maybe Europol doesn't want him caught.


So does anybody know why Argus would place a bounty on his head? They're just an independant intelligence agency right? Did they lose an important informant?
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post Apr 23 2005, 05:43 AM
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Because they made MET2000 look bad by breaching their security and killing a lot of VIPs whom were under MET2000's protection.
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post Apr 23 2005, 05:48 AM
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Interesting quote from the CBS News website that proves SR is lowballing this sort of thing. I mean, the guy I mentioned is supposed to be the second in command of the NIJ.

Here is a blurb on a present day terrorist:

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Zarqawi joins three other terrorists with rewards of $25 million on their heads. The others are Bin Laden, the al Qaeda founder and leader; Al-Adel, one of its top operatives; and Ayman Al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's chief lieutenant.

Twenty-two other people are on the rewards program list, but $5 million will be paid out in their cases.

A Jordanian, Zarqawi turned 37 on Thursday. His State Department wanted poster describes him as having an olive complexion, dark hair and eyes and a Jordanian passport. He uses the alias Ahmad Fadil Al-Khalailah.

"Individuals providing information may be eligible for a reward, protection of their identities, and relocation with their families," the department notes. In the past seven years, the Rewards for Justice program has paid out more than $49 million in 29 cases.
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post Apr 23 2005, 06:07 AM
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I was thinking about that, too, that it's the eqv. of the reward on Zawahiri's head. At first I thought it was a typo. Now... I have no idea, just rampant speculation and conjecture.
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post Apr 23 2005, 10:36 AM
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Maybe there's the official bounty by argus (say50k or so) and an unofficial one promised by the families of the killed diplomats. The latter could easily be a mil nuyen imo.
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post Apr 23 2005, 11:05 AM
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Maybe they just didn't want a 50 million nuyen reward for anything, ever, in a published book?
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No, that's a way too simple and logical answer. ;)
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post Apr 23 2005, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (Critias)
Maybe they just didn't want a 50 million nuyen reward for anything, ever, in a published book?

Like any GM would let players claim the bounty anyways? They'd be thrown in jail most likely, and definitely not get the cash.
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post Apr 23 2005, 01:01 PM
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Well, I'd let them have the possibility ... it's just that they'd be up against an entire terrorist organisation (which can do awful things to them, their friends, their contacts, and their rep), and evev after collecting it, they'd be stuck with three additional enemies and the hunted flaw.

Sure, they could, but it'd cost them dearly. Besides, 50 million are good for characters to retire. I'd propably not punish them that harshly if they planned to retire their characters. Since there're governments involved, I'd give them bullet-proof IDs, and let them live on as NPCs in secure villas in sourthern France, Hawaii or whereever they want to retire.
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post Apr 23 2005, 03:17 PM
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Well that's what my players had in mind. They are entirely undaunted by the fact that they are going to be a couple of white boys in the middle east. They'll never be able to infiltrate the organization in all likelyhood, and they don't have enough money to bribe their way to this guy. On top of that, they don't know the language, and don't know anybody in that part of the world. Honestly, I don't know what their plan is.

The way I explained it to them, it'll be like finding a needle in a stack of needles. But they're determined, so I'll roll with it.
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post Apr 24 2005, 03:21 PM
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If they choose the blunt approach, warn them. Have thewir stuff blow up, or have them be beaten to pulp by Arab gangs. Terror organisations aren't states or megacorps, but they can muster ressources that make them a god-like enemy for a runner team nonetheless. You don't wanna end on top of some bin Laden wannabe's shit list as a runner.

Unless they manage to blend in, convince his terror organisation they're on their side, nvest about five years of working their way up the ranks of said organisation, and do horrible stuff to gain the guy's trust (in the process propably ending up with a hefty price on their heads themselves) they have no chance in hell of finding him. It's not just a needle in the haystack, it's a needle in the haystack that leaves said stack as soon as you enter the barn, hops onto a plane to Vladivostok and jumps into the ocean half way through the flight.

I mean, come on, the US has a hard time locating bin Laden, and your characters are SLIGHTLY below a Superpower's ressources, influence and reach, aren't they?
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