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> Gyro Stabilization and Combat Pool, Book-fu needed, please
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post Apr 23 2005, 12:36 AM
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QUOTE ("SR3 @ page 280")
Gyro systems add +4 to the wearer's target numbers in melee combat, and only allow him to use half his Combat Pool dice.

My players are in a bit of a dispute over the grammar of the above sentence.

Does this mean that players wearing a gyro mount only have half their combat pool in melee combat, or do they only have half their combat pool period? If anyone has any references to somewhere this is better spelled out it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help.
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post Apr 23 2005, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE (SuperSpy)
My players are in a bit of a dispute over the grammar of the above sentence.

Does this mean that players wearing a gyro mount only have half their combat pool in melee combat, or do they only have half their combat pool period? If anyone has any references to somewhere this is better spelled out it would be greatly appreciated.

You only get half your Combat Pool, for any combat... there is no reason for having "half Combat Pool, but only in certain situations" because that would make it unnecessarily complicated to calculate. You can't dodge as well when you have an industrial grade gyroscope and large mounted arm attached to yourself.
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post Apr 23 2005, 12:51 AM
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The halved combat pool applies as long as you have a gyro stabilisation unit on.
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post Apr 23 2005, 07:10 AM
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Actually if you think for more than fifteen seconds about it, the halving of the combat pool in all situations is kinda ridiculous. I mean why should have only half your pool for firing the gun that is on the the gyromount or soaking damage? Neither of these would be affected by the gyromount. So it might be reasonable to rule that half the Combat Pool is only usable for Firing the gun on the gyromount and soak tests.
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post Apr 23 2005, 07:21 AM
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As for firing the gun, it makes perfect sense. Just because the gun's near-perfectly stable while firing doesn't mean you can aim it as readily; quite the opposite, in fact. You're trading dice for a TN mod.

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post Apr 23 2005, 08:26 AM
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hmm, good question....

I am torn, when reading the sentence it reads like it is only talking about melee combat.

But, when I think about it, it seems that it would apply everywhere, kinda like the combat pool reduction when layering armor.

IMO, your call or at least the GM's call.
(need to ask my GM about this...)

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post Apr 23 2005, 10:56 AM
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If I recall my second edition (I think it was first in the SSC), it impacts all kinds of stuff. I've always thought about Combat Pool as a character's ability to juke and jive to avoid damage and swing weapons faster. The gyromount is a big ol' (very effective) motion dampener, so it's gonna effect everything.

If you're mounting an M60, there's a 25 pound weight, far from your center of gravity, that doesn't want to move for hell or high water.
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post Apr 23 2005, 12:29 PM
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I would say that the combat pool penalty applies at all times

Another question would be dos it apply if the gyro harness is worn but not turned on (giros stationary). I would say not (but obviously itís not providing any benefit.)

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post Apr 23 2005, 12:38 PM
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The modifier applies at all times to PC and only in melee combat to NPCs, until your players catch you and then it applies at all times to NPCs too.
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post Apr 23 2005, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE (hahnsoo @ Apr 22 2005, 07:40 PM)
... there is no reason for having "half Combat Pool, but only in certain situations" because that would make it unnecessarily complicated to calculate.

While I agree with everything else you say, there is precedence in canon for this happening. For example, under "Attacks against Passengers" in the Vehciles and Drones rules it says...

QUOTE ("SR3 @ page 149")
Passengers can only use half their Combat Pool dice (round down) for Dodge or Damage Resistance Tests.

But I do find myself in agreement with the general consensus that gyro stabilization halves CP in all situations. Although I would have appreciated it stated a bit more obviously in the text.

Thanks for your help, everyone.

BTW, if anyone's looking for a free Deluxe Gyro Mount, one has just been abandoned on the 50th floor of the Renraku Arcology.
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