Spell concept for guns, Opinions? Options

[Kyuhan]

What do y'all think of a custom spell that creates a telekinetic tunnel from the barrel of a gun to a target, max distance is ForcexMagic meters. I haven't really thought about the actual numbers for improving aim, I just wanted some feedback.

[Dissonance]

There's already a spell that does that, but it's a little bit weird in the fact that since it's Illusion (I think), the person you're shooting at can resist.

Which makes it kind of less-than-useful.

[Critias]

It's a Detection, not Illusion.

[Eyeless Blond]

Detection, actually, and yes it's only really good when you can cast at a high enough Force that it isn't resisted, as the casting TN is a static 6.

[Edit] Cuuuurses...

[mfb]

creating a telekinetic tunnel from the gun to the target seems like an incredibly bad idea. for one, you'd be constantly whacking it into objects between yourself and the target, probably knocking the gun out of your hands. for another, it'd cost way too much energy--cheaper to just powerbolt the sucker yourself.

[Eyeless Blond]

Or just make the tunnel a *little* longer, stick it in their chest, and drain their blood by remote.

[mfb]

"okay, i cast Straw at force 4."

heh. the area effect version could be Crazy Straw, with all the loops and whirlies and whatnot.

[hyzmarca]

Finally, a reasonable way to replicate the Blood Gout and Blood Shower spells from Legacy of Kain.

Telekenetic gun barrel is a bad idea because the target can just stick his finger in it like Bugs Bunny.

[Eyeless Blond]

[TheBovrilMonkey]

[weblife]

I have yet to see a single spell, that forces its target to resist a Power greater than its Force. (With the one exception of Elemental Manipultaion spells staged up to Deadly and then ups Power.)

Telekinetic powers in SR tend to do Stun damage, or if a weapon is propelled, use spell Force as the STR of the wielder of the thrown weapon.

I don't think a telekinetic "spike" that deals physical damage is out of scope. No sustained damage spells though.. never seen one in SR.

Spike
Splinterstorm (AE version)
Same stats as the other Elemental Manipultaion spells that deals physical.
Secondary effect must be similar to Blast.

[Eyeless Blond]

Well I could have just said that you just take a Light wound instead of allowing the extra damage resistance test (note that the spell itself is resisted as well) but I figured this was an even better idea. That last part doesn't even need to be there; the rest of the uses are fun enough for such a spell to exist.

I don't like the idea of spells duplicating effects that are already available in other schools though. I especially don't like making more Manipulations that duplicate other spells, one reason I think that elemental manips should be thrown into Combat instead of leaving them as Manips.

[Pthgar]

I think there is some confusion between TK and a force field. I don't think TK could make a "tunnel", that is what force fields do. Just take a Barrier spell and wrap it into a tube.

TK manipulates the target object by applying force or motion itself to the object. TK could guide a bullet by moving the bullet. There would be no "tunnel" connecting the target and the gun.

Force fields manipulate a target by applying a field (solid, semi-solid, or other) to an object and then moving the force field.

The difference is subtle and mostly irrelevent, but think of how Jean Grey's TK works vs. Sue Storm's Powers.

If you think of the difference as this:
Using TK is like driving a car. The mechanism controlling direction is within by way of a steering wheel.
Using a force field is like a train. The mechanism controlling direction is without by way of tracks.

[PBTHHHHT]

So, is the 'tunnel' being used so that wind will not be a factor in your long range sniper shot? Because that would be interesting. The only thing left would be how distance the drop will drop due to the distance.

I guess a variation would be putting a barrier along one side like a wind shield for the bullet so that it can travel towards the target and you don't have to adjust for wind... But I have no experience with rifles so I'll just sit in the corner over here and watch the people who know what they're talking about hash this all out... :smokin:

[mfb]

hah, here's a cool spell idea: Kentucky Windage. a TK manip spell that creates a tube of still air parallel to the barrel of any weapon the spell is cast on. the tube would be 100m in length per success, max successes = force.

net effect: -1 TN at long range, -2 TN at extreme range.

no part of this spell was stolen from Deadlands.

[PBTHHHHT]

Oh? You play Deadlands also? :-)

[Eyeless Blond]

Man, I wish I could find a group around here to play Classic Deadlands with. I had one online group, but the game fell through before it ever began (story of my life :() I had such a beautiful card pull for that one too; the attributes were good enough I managed to throw together a decent metal mage (Huckster + Mad Scientist). I've been itching to play that gal ever since. :P

[mfb]

Deadlands would be difficult to play online, due to the incredibly awesome initiative system. i've GM'd Deadlands twice, never played it. i've got quite a few of the books, though, and a number of the d20 books.

[Sahandrian]

[Eyeless Blond]