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 Jun 17 2005, 05:35 AM
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Jun 17 2005, 05:47 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Then why did you start it? I mean, seriously. Read how you opened this fucking thread. Go back to page one and just read that opener. Read it. Right now. Stop reading this post, go back to page one, and read that opening post. That set the tone. That threw down a (retarded, six-fingered) gauntlet, set the precedent for the argumentative nature of the thread, set the standard for the level of intelligent argument readers could expect to find, showcased your awesome intellect, you name it. Read that opener. The fact you yourself called that opener "stupid" or "a mistake" or whatever five pages in shouldn't surprise anyone. You started the thread. You revive it every time you think of two new RPG names to toss together. You keep it alive, with your "nuh uh/yeah huh" level of argument. You've got no one to blame for this thread but yourself.
We got all the actual arguing out of our system about eight pages ago, and/or on other threads that've tackled this same stupid issue. The simple fact is the new SR4 system (what we know of it) has an awful fucking lot in common with the nWoD system. Period. Everyone but you understands that, you're nitpicking on every tiny difference in the system as an excuse to say it isn't so, and we're all tired of listening to you. "Shadow: The Running" just gets more fun to say every time you have a heart attack an start underlining things. I'm sorry you can't see that the core die mechanic is amazingly similar. I'm not sure why you aren't able to just let us go on being "wrong" (in your head), instead of kick-starting this thread every few days and repeating your argument (or mentioning new games to compare/contrast, or whatever). I'm also not sure why you're so fucking sensetive. It's the internet. If you can't handle a little bit of name-calling or sarcasm, you really probably don't belong on-line. You get awful hung up on every teensy little classical satirical argument ("Boohoo, the mean man said I ate paint chips!"). Get a little thicker skin.
If you really want the thread locked, PM them. Don't wait for a mod to happen to stumble across the crappy 9th page of a crappy thread. If you want it locked, ask them to lock it (very directly; don't just give vague, whiney, permission and expect them to read it, it's not their job to read every post, ever). And has it occured to you that we're done saying anything productive because it all, magically, bounces off you? People try to say productive things to you, you repeat your initial argument (with a few new random words underlined), and the cycle starts over. It gets a little tiresome after a while. |
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Jun 17 2005, 05:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 6,280 |
Critias, you clearly put a lot of thought into that post, and I find that wildly hypocritical. Basically, for a subject you don't care about, or have any vested interest in, you sure manage to post in it an awful lot, and you're definitely passionate about it.
Unless you're just trolling... or flaming... where have I seen those two words before? |
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Jun 17 2005, 06:20 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
You either don't know what "thought" means, or "hypocritical." I'm not sure which, but, well, what you just said makes absolutely no sense, and I'm trying to figure out what other words were supposed to be there, that aren't. No luck so far, I'll let you know if I think of something.
I...what? I'm still just not sure what you're trying to say. How do I not care about SR4? Or not have a vested interest in it? Or...? What? I really don't understand. Please explain whatever it is you're trying to say, here. Slowly, and carefully, break down whatever ideas it is you're trying to convey. I don't know what the fuck makes you think I don't care about SR4, or (as an extension of certain arguments/stances I've put forth) how it relates to nWoD.
So the post starts with me "hypocritically" putting a lot of thought into a post, and ends with me trolling/flaming? I'm really lost, here, Nerby. Help a brothah out. Try reposting whatever it was you meant to just post, but maybe you could try English this time. I'm really lost, here, slick. The individual words you're using make sense (or, rather, are decipherable as English), but when you string them together in the order you've put them, it's gibberish. A translation: "You think when you post, hypocrite! You don't care about SR4 anyways, why do you post so much?! You are a passionate lover! Troll!" |
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Jun 17 2005, 07:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 6,280 |
What's hypocritical is that you put so much time into a post to explain why this thread is a waste of time. The subject you don't care about is the subject of this particular thread. You clearly don't care about discussing, rationally, the similarities of the two games. You just say the same things, over and over, and nothing that happens in response makes any difference. You think this is a "yeah huh, nuh uh" level argument? Who's saying the other half? Who? Apparently, according to your post, its me. I'm just logging on with different screennames and arguing with myself. I don't know. Why do you post so much bullshit? Why take time out of your life to make sarcastic, insulting, one-liners in a thread you don't even care about? That is the definition of trolling. And the personal shit that I need to grow a thick skin about? Thats the very definition of flaming.
Everything you say is just inflamatory, inconsequential bullshit. And you repeat it over and over. And I know the next response to this is how you still don't understand, I'm speaking in tongues, I'm a paint chip eating half breed retard. Whatever. |
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Jun 17 2005, 07:39 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Swordfish mustardball.
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Jun 17 2005, 07:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 6,280 |
Thats the first rational thing I've ever heard you say.
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Jun 17 2005, 07:48 AM
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That's the funniest thing you've ever posted. Especially the part about it being completely contrary to reality. Superb wit. I mean, really. That's hilarious! You know, how your comment implies that everything you've heard from Critias has been more irrational than, "Swordfish mustardball." Oh, oh, I don't know how I can even type this. I'm holding my sides in pain from laughing so much. You know, because you said that swordfish mustardball was, "the first rational thing I've ever heard you say." Ah ha! Ah ha! Oh, god, that's too funny. The way you verbally emasculated him on an Internet website by suggesting that everything he's written has been completely irrational. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh, man. That was awesome! Nerbert, you are a comic genius. |
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Jun 17 2005, 08:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 6,280 |
Like what? What has he said? I honestly can't think of anything. Everything people say to me I've tried to respond to with respect and sincerity. And apparently, somehow, I've earned the reputation of being a paint chip eating brain damaged mental ward out patient. If I say something that lacks clarity, am I told "Your post is unclear to me."? No. I'm told that I am so dysfunctional in my communication ability that I am literally speaking gibberish.
If I make a valid point, is it ever acknowledged? I don't know, no one has ever acknowledged anything I have ever said as being valid. And yet no one can clearly explain to me why everything I say is invalid directly. It has to be wrapped in sarcasm and personal insults first, and then it has to prefaced be repeating everything I have ever said that was clearly wrong, wether or not I've already admitted my mistake. Wow, Crimsondude, I had a small amount of respect for you until you edited your small, pointless post into a very long pointless post. |
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Jun 17 2005, 08:07 AM
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Well, it's still better and less prone to mod deletion than my initial response.
But speaking as someone who rarely is understood around here, I can say that your posts come off the same way as mine do to a lot of people--that is, that they make no sense. But your response to Critias. That was just really fucking dumb. |
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Jun 17 2005, 08:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 6,280 |
Was his reply to me not really fucking dumb? Was my dumbness so much greater then his that it required your full attention?
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Jun 17 2005, 08:12 AM
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Because it's not true
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Jun 17 2005, 08:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 6,280 |
Its remarkable then which falsehoods you allow to remain unchallenged, and which you feel the need to personally comment on.
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Jun 17 2005, 01:49 PM
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Okay guys, poor Nerbert has taken plenty of abuse for his belief that the dice rolling system, as we know it, is significantly different then WoD. I'm sorry to say Nerbert is incorrect. The difference between a 2 in 6 chance and a 3 in 10 chance is not enough to make the game system significantly different.
The basic dice rolling system is still the same. You roll a handfull of dice and count the number of them that have a value higher then some fixed number. It's simplistic at best. Now, in Nerberts defense... There could still be significant differences in the system. Simply comparing how dice are rolled is not enough to compare two game systems. We can say there is common ground, based on the little bit we know. But, we don't know yet how the number of dice you roll is determined. We know part of the formula (Attribute + Skill) which is also the same as WoD, but we don't know how other things affect that number of dice. In WoD, equipment adds or subtracts to dice totals. There is no concept of an opposed roll in combat, damage is determined by a single roll. I doubt shadowrun will keep the same game mechanic. But, all I can do for now is doubt. I don't know what the new rules say. I can say I'm looking forward to finding out. So for the moment, lets all give Nerbert a break and lets agree on this... The basic mechanic of how dice are rolled does not differ significantly from WoD. How this is changed, modified, or interpreted in the game could be significantly different and we just don't know yet. |
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Jun 17 2005, 01:50 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
You two should get married.
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Jun 17 2005, 02:09 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Nerbert, I understand that you feel you have a point. And Critias also feels like he has a point. I think at this point in the conversation, neither of you are going to convince the other person. You're just going to continue defending yourselves in a mud-throwing contest. For your own personal sanity, I'd recommend you stop now, you're not winning any points (and neither is he). Your ideas will stand on their own as you've voiced them already. You can't do anything else to help your argument, and tossing insults will just make you more upset, so I suggest you simply stop responding to insults and let the thread die.
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Jun 17 2005, 02:34 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Or get married. :love:
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Jun 17 2005, 04:24 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
You keep saying that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. |
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Jun 17 2005, 04:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
Well you'd need to do a detailed comparison of 'Marriage'. The Setting and the mechanics, then we might all understand.
But you'd have to concede, that no matter what they are the same. But you'd have to concede, that no matter what they are the different. Then you have to serve Swordfish Mustardball at the reception. And invite as many flying poo flinging monkeys as you can lay hands on. :D |
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Jun 17 2005, 04:44 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
We could call it Marriage: The Nagging.
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Jun 17 2005, 04:47 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Do I hear the voice of experience talking?
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Jun 17 2005, 05:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 442 Joined: 23-April 04 From: Pennsylvania Member No.: 6,280 |
There it is, right in the opening post. I know the two dice systems are the same. I pointed out the difference in probability just to start the conversation. I deeply regret it. But there's fuck-all I can do about it now. |
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Jun 17 2005, 06:30 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
But the thing is, there IS something you can do! You can stop posting. Some people don't agree with you, and they never will! Some people have already been won over. But you're just wasting your breath now. Stop posting, and Critias will stop posting nasty things about your mother (in this thread) and everyone can be happier than they would be otherwise. (Actually, I'd sort of prefer you do keep posting, as I enjoy a good flame war.)
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Jun 17 2005, 06:51 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 |
Bring on the Flying Poo Flinging MOnkeys! I've got my unbrella! |
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Jun 18 2005, 02:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 316 Joined: 18-April 05 From: France Member No.: 7,343 |
Apparently stupid insults for fun are more offensive to moderators than stupid insults directly directed on people ...
In my message was insults -indeed-, because I found the flame war funny, and precisely to take fun of a lot of insulting posts. Anyway, Moderator ... you don't do anything like a message on a post to say a deletion has been done because of : insults ? Eh men, reading this whole post should tell humor is the only way ... |
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