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post Jun 18 2005, 06:23 PM
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Besides...by keeping this flame war active it is drawing all the irrational debate instead of letting it spill over to rational threads.

Plus it's just damn funny watching these people go at it. :P
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post Jun 19 2005, 12:52 AM
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Without any influence on the final book, and without enough information to judge sr4, I must admit I find half of the threads irrationals ...
Except for my desire to have some fresh news on sr4 (this is irrational as well!) I think the only reason I keep coming here is the beautiful debates (which have a taste of Battle Royale in a way ...).
And I agree with you Cheops: it is so strange how the other half of threads are kept "pure", with people giving their opinion, with no need to be a reference in any way.
It is late for me ... good night !
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post Jun 27 2005, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE (Nerbert)
First of all I'd like to point out that the nWoD fixed TN is 8 on a d10 whereas the TN of SR4 is 5 on a d6.  From a mathematical/statistical perspective, there's a 33.33~% of a SR4 success, but only a 30% chance of a nWoD success. 

This is slightly incorrect. The Storyteller system does use d10, and have 8 as a TN, but any roll of 10 (under normal circumstances) will allow you to re-roll for another success. If you roll a 10 (10% chance) then another 8 (30%) you get another success. This is a 3% additional chance.

This additional chance after rolling a 0 cascades infinitely to give you a proper 33.33333...% chance of success for your dice pool.

SR4 and the new ST system have the same chances for success.

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post Jun 27 2005, 04:55 PM
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He didn't want to listen to that last time I brought it up.
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post Jun 27 2005, 05:00 PM
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He didn't want to listen to that last time I brought it up.

He didn't believe you or he claimed it wasn't relevant to his initial post?

Chris
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post Jun 27 2005, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (cgordon_13 @ Jun 27 2005, 11:00 AM)
QUOTE (Fortune)
He didn't want to listen to that last time I brought it up.

He didn't believe you or he claimed it wasn't relevant to his initial post?

Chris

At that point (before that even i think) he had realized that it was a stupid point for him to bring up to start with. That there were other reasons that had a lot more merit. But yes, 'people' didn't listen to him about that. They just kept harping on the same point he had agreed to. ;)

EDIT: It isn't like just having the same average means you are working with the exact same probabilities. But it is still fairly close.
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post Jun 27 2005, 05:14 PM
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Didn't this thread die?

Oh, I see, nobody cut off the head and stuffed holy wafers in its mouth. Dammit, you want something done right...
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