 The Ever Elusive Zurich Orbital, Can it be infiltrated? |
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 Jun 15 2005, 04:43 PM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675  |
Wow, there really is a government poster for everything.
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Jun 15 2005, 05:07 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
You can't even do that, it's explicitly stated that even the location of the station isn't even know exactly to anyone. You can't just go find a satellite with a telescope without knowing where it is. |
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Jun 15 2005, 05:17 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Sure you can, it just takes a pantload of time and resources. Hence the Orichalcum toilet for payment...
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Jun 15 2005, 05:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 18-August 03 From: North VA Member No.: 5,519 |
Breaking into the ZO is like breaking into the NORAD retirement home. It's dumb.
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Jun 15 2005, 05:35 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Yeah, but thats not the point and it never has been. Taking any job where "you may be shot at" is in the description is dumb.
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Jun 15 2005, 06:03 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
Sure you can. Amateur satellite watchers do it all the time. And spotting a behemoth like ZO in low orbit will be easy. It's not like you'll mistake it for a small telecomm constellation satellite or something. See the big satellite, check public databases for possibilities, eliminate most of them, etc. Of course, it's probably not fast and you're not guaranteed that it's passing over your head at convenient times, but it can be done. Someplace on the equator would be a good place to conduct the search. BTW, is the term "manasphere" or "gaiasphere"? |
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Jun 15 2005, 06:29 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Depends on what you are talking about. For ecology I'd use gaia- for magic/astral space I'd use mana-. |
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Jun 15 2005, 07:02 PM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
T:WL just didn't want to make up any new rules, I guess. Anyway, I highly doupt you could shoot down a space station with a mana bolt, unless perhaps you happen to be Lofwyr or Harlequine.
I would expect ZO to use ship rules for stats, so the spell should really be MASSIVE. Substitute a nuclear sub for it, but triple the armour. what would that make the TN for a spell cast on it - 30 + OR 8? Good luck. |
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Jun 15 2005, 07:13 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Anarchists, communists, anti-corp groups, end of the world cults like Winternight, awakend nations like Amazonia, nationalistic groups that think taking out ZO would give them more power etc. All got a reason for wanting to see ZO take a fall. Just be sure to have changed the fee and all your savings into physical valuables before completing the job. ;) |
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Jun 15 2005, 07:13 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
When hacking ZO I would go in with a MPCP 12 deck in masking mode, that is masking 18 and detection factor 15, more if the optional rule to add hacking pool dice to detection factor is in play. The system being red 20 will be rolling 20 dice against target 15 or better to notice me. Mean while its subsystem ratings are in the low 20s, my program ratings of 12 men I am rolling my skill + available pool (say 18 dice) against a TN between 8 and 12.
Because I redirected my dater trail 30 times before attempting the insert (a procedure that would take les than 5 min) I am willing to ignore any IC that will try to detect my location. That should buy me enough time to create a slandered user account that will last while I have a shower get changes before I go in again to do my actual snooping. It may take several trips but it can be done. Although the location of the satellite is not known to the general public it is known to every nation or corp with satellite tracking hardware, if hacking one of those should be possible. I don’t think ZO would be really hard to destroy assuming you could cast a spell on it or hit it with an object (missile axe whatever), my understanding was that most objects build to operate in space without rentery ability where made light, any armour would be optimised for very small objects and low mass, like that foam and foil armour that was mentioned earlier, also it is modular without the same uniform shape as a vehicle, I would treat it as a building for the purpose of spells or damage, you don’t attack it as a whole you attack walls and support struts decompressing it a section at a time. thus in order to properly destroy the station you would need to cast many spells but each one would be as easy to cast as if you where casting against a fragile object of similar technological complexity in the same environment (the mana warp is still going to kill any caster that is not a high level initiate) Edward |
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Jun 15 2005, 07:21 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I would be incredibly surprised if the user database was editable. More likely would be something like an OMC with the user database loaded into a reader without write capabilities, and even then it would probably be audited regularly. ~J |
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Jun 15 2005, 09:46 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
Wreck Vehicle...
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Jun 15 2005, 09:54 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Range touch... |
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Jun 16 2005, 04:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
Ram is touch. Wreck is LOS. Which is why Ram (object) is probably the most useless spell in the game, especially the vehicle version.
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Jun 16 2005, 04:32 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Guys are still forgetting, she wants to know how you would infiltrate ZO, not blast it out of the sky.
Mostly 'cause she's trying to convinve us to do a run on it. We told Mr . Johnson "no" (then left quickly) , but I think she's trying to find alternate means of persuasion on us. I personally think it'd be easier to blast the thing than go 'wuite in, quite out'. But that's not the run (that we're trying to avoid) |
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Jun 16 2005, 04:38 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
If the DM wants you to get into Zurich Orbital, the Johnson can give you the way to get into ZO. ;)
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Jun 16 2005, 04:42 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Never bet on that.
Last run I did, we only made it because I faked my death with an immortal flower (well, didn't really fake as much as die temporarily). In our games, it's usually the players job to figure out how to get out alive. Once we cack whom ever needs cacking, Johnson's pretty much happy. Our job would be to get out alive to collect our pay. That's why you only get half up front. Shadowrunning is really two jobs. First one is to get in and get the job done. That's the first half of the pay. The second half is to get back out alive . |
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Jun 16 2005, 04:46 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No, the reason you only get half up front is because your job is to get your pay, not do what the J wants you to. If you've gotten your pay you've done your job and can leave, and it's the J's fault if he or she isn't happy yet.
~J |
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Jun 16 2005, 04:52 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
yeah.. that's pretty much what I said.... but not.....
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Jun 16 2005, 05:11 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Well, in my extremely limited opinion, getting in is relatively easy.
All you need is a Decker who can slip into the systems and set off every alarm bell and whistle his electronic fingers can reach. Which sounds like a piece of cake in a security scenario this hot. The trick is to make the ZO authorities believe that they've ALREADY had a physical intrustion event, and get them to send out a general panic situation alarm. Naturally, everyone who has an interest in ZO (Which is everyone) is going to come flying to the rescue as fast as they can launch crisis-ops teams. The trick is to have yourselves disguised as a crisis op team. Your best bet may be to actually BE one of the official crisis ops teams. Arrive in UCAS hardware, with UCAS uniforms, etcetera. Replace them before launch, or even have yourselves hired out as a drek-hot crisis-team response unit beforehand. |
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Jun 16 2005, 05:21 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
been watching Oceans Eleven again?
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Jun 16 2005, 05:31 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Ummmm, no actually...
Why? |
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Jun 16 2005, 05:33 AM
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Dumpshock Widow aka Mrs Fisty Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next to Him Member No.: 6,929 |
Personally, I like SD's idea. Efficient. Quick... and hopefully, painless.
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Jun 16 2005, 05:38 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
If you havne't seen it, I won't spoil it. Plan B: I'll hold you to that if you trick us into that run |
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Jun 16 2005, 05:38 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
What's wrong with infiltrating it's burnt wreckage after it's crashed to earth? :D
There is really no way to infiltrate it. They measure cargo to the gram, they have the best magical protection (it doesn't work), and it's isolated as hell. So we're trying to bring it down. |
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