 The Ever Elusive Zurich Orbital, Can it be infiltrated? |
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 Jun 16 2005, 05:45 AM
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Horror  Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445  |
Well, the problem with infiltrating wreckage is that there generally is nothing left in working order.
KILLING it, if you really wanted to, is easy enough, if you have a hot enough Decker. Erase it's current location from UCAS databases, and spoof their early-warning systems into thinking that it's the mother of all bandits. They'll launch all kinds of nukes and Surface-to-Space hardware at it, and boom, no more Zurich Orbital. But that's really a very extreme way to do some wetwork, and nothing else but. If you want to crack their systems and nose around or something, your run, and the data you need, is all slag. If the missiles don't kill it, the re-entry will, and if by some miracle the re-entry does... Well, it may not exactly be a Deep Impact scenario, but hitting earth or water at those speeds will smash anything. |
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Jun 16 2005, 07:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
Good idea, I'll have to bring that up next session. I think reentry, not to metion the massive explosions of all the bombs and such hitting it, would break it up enough to not cause any serious harm upon hitting the earth. What was the effect of the Mir as it came down? While the Mir wasn't blown into tiny chunks (I think) that should be a good measuring stick.
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Jun 16 2005, 07:29 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
What would happen if you removed your weight in food from a create distend for ZO and climbed in with a re breather unit.
You would want to do this after the crate had been verified and thus need a way to reseal the crate including verification seal; this could be done with a couple of ground crew payed off. As for getting down again all I can think of is hijack a supply shuttle after your job is done. Edward |
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Jun 16 2005, 07:34 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
well, you have to also remember that they're probably going to open the food crates to pack them away. so you'd probably get found . And it'd have to be one big bribe for the ground crew to risk getting caught, since for all they know, you coudl be planting a bomb.
As ofr escape, I'd try setting up a pickup somewhere with the 'independant' space station that caters to runners. Maybe snag a suit, and jump out an airlock with some retro's and some extra air tanks, and have a shuttle from there pick you up. Expensive , but do able. |
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Jun 16 2005, 08:28 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
I was thinking that crates of food would be shipped up for the station kitchen, of cause they may well be to small to fit in.
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Jun 16 2005, 08:47 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
welkl yeah, but the kitchen's gonna unload them.
Just send the 'grease man' from Ocean's 11 |
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Jun 16 2005, 09:35 AM
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Knight Templar Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 212 Joined: 20-June 04 From: Ipswich, UK Just South of the Stinkfens Member No.: 6,424 |
When Skylab came down a fair amount of debris hit Australia. Fortunately the empty bits of it, as one of the chunks was the lead film safe. Mind you this would be the least of your problems as with ZO out of the way all cred would now be suspect (including, of course, your fee) and corporate war would almost certianly break out. |
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Jun 16 2005, 10:01 AM
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The King In Yellow Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 |
That's a great idea and would surely work, if the station in question wasn't on a geostationary orbit. And I doupt the UCAS has defensive capabilities it can deploy above Europe, being without foreign bases and all. Of course, should the UCAS detonate nukes above Europe, other powers might feel threatened. Lofwyr, for instance. Russia. The Elves. And they might feel like retaliating. Which woukld surely make for an interesting setting change, but ... well, it would also mean that EVERYONE is gonna be looking for the freaks who caused this to happen. Hunted at 6, some extra powerful enemies, and Dark Secret, for all characters involved. Mind you, though, I like the idea. :)
Mir only hurt a few fish because it hit earth in the middle if the Atlantic. Nukes don't blow stuff apart in space much (what would they want to cause shock waves in?), but fry it with radiation, and melt it all into a lumb of metal. And that lumb WILL damage stuff when it comes down. |
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Jun 16 2005, 10:41 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,073 Joined: 23-August 04 Member No.: 6,587 |
A descent sized nuke would reduce ZO to a lot of very small bits of mettle, its not all that big.
Also ZO is not in geosynchronous orbit, it is in LEO with an orbital period of a few hours. This was mentioned in corporate download (I think) they didn’t think it was worth the fuel to bump it up to geosynchronous orbit. It also has the advantage that it is harder to find. And if your going to take a job of this nature I think you should demand payment in a currency you expect to retain some value. Oricalcum would be good if you can get it, if not gold or other precious materials. Edward |
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Jun 16 2005, 10:49 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Or, just, y'know, write up a new character. Since something like this would so piss of so many people that are so powerful it's effectively an expensive, flashy, method of commiting suicide.
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Jun 16 2005, 10:51 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
which is why we said no, and walked away......quickly |
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Jun 16 2005, 01:05 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
90 minutes, give or take a few minutes. Anything in LEO will have about a 90-minute orbit. Any longer orbit (from about 600km altitude through geosynchronous and a bit beyond) has the problem of being in the Van Allen radiation belts. |
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Jun 16 2005, 01:53 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
Sorry, you are very correct. |
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Jun 21 2005, 11:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 6-August 03 From: Polish Ghetto Member No.: 5,342 |
Hmm...
Few of you forgot about extensive security. ZO isn't protected only from inside. Corps probably has some sort of "Echelon" in Matrix. And Zurich Orbital IS one of most important key words... IMHO, Fixers will sell runners rather to help them (there are money in helping the corps. And Death Sentence for all contacts of the team). Anybody can sell runners. If I was GMing such session I'd even propose such thing to player (s). Somebody suggest ball of metal thrown by magic into ZO. Stupid. Magic works in atmosphere only. Corp mages will stop such thing, IMO. But it can be done. IMHO the less complicated the plan, the bigger chance to accomplish. Less chance to leak the plan to the corps. If I plan such run, i'll took the most brute force, hijack shuttle. No Matrix / astral backup. Pure, brute and fast force. And lots of luck & prayers :) . |
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Jun 21 2005, 11:45 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
While the concept you are arguing against would be doomed to failure, your argument is blatantly false. In MitS, it is clearly stated that open space is a rating 10 mana warp and while such a warp is likely to kill anyone who casts a spell anywhere near it, the magic can potentially still work. Also, if all the acceleration was done in atmosphere, it would evade the nasty drain problem entirely. Now, you just need a mage with a very high force levitate and very high magic rating with about 500 dice to roll on sorcery and you can get a magically launched ballistic weapon. A magically launched ballistic weapon that will probably be intercepted long before it reaches the orbital, but a magically launched ballistic weapon none the less. |
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Jun 22 2005, 12:31 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
Haven't read everything so it might have been mentionned :
The best way to infiltrate ZO is to arrange it so that the megacorps send you there themselve. You could in theory infiltrate an AAA corp with the intent of being selected as part of the staff of ZO. We're talking long term infiltration here, with heavy duty decking along the way. You need at least 5 year spotless record with a AAA corp. For most Shadowrunner, it's just not worth it. Who wants to sacrifice 5-10 years of his life in an infiltration?! The most efficient course of action for a Johnson who wants to put a man inside ZO is IMO to recruit someone who is already on the fast track to a ZO staffer spot. Runner could be involved in the recruiting. If you feel seriously "Mission Impossible", you could have a run where you kidnap and replace a man selected to go on ZO. You'd need not only to swap the future ZO staffer with a perfect physical match, you'd also need to find a way to spoof the aura, DNA, retinal, voice and every other conceivable check. A serious decking run seems necessary for at least three of these elements, and most likely must be done onsite (doubtful that this can be accessed from the Matrix). And whatever you do, you must leave no trace whatsoever because in all likelyhood the transfer to ZO would be cancelled on the slightest suspicion. Yeah, very "Mission Impossible". |
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Jun 22 2005, 01:41 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
A simple wetwork job....coupled with cutting a deal with a master shedim. :silly: Though it would have to be a scary high Force master shedim to pull of the Masking required. At least i think they'd have to do a mimicing Mask since the person is dead, even though a lot of his memories are absorbed and his corpse still walks. Threats 2 wasn't specific about this.
Of course there is the small matter of cutting the deal. First you have to establish [peaceful] contact. Also exactly what the master shedim would take in trade i'd rather not even try contemplat. |
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Jun 22 2005, 06:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 7-December 04 Member No.: 6,873 |
SD did have the best outside of the box plan.
I would rather be on the run from some Johnson than frag with the corporate court. That is the kind of run that comes back to haunt you at some point in your life. I would hate to have to change my name to Frank "Omega Order" Smith. |
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Jun 22 2005, 08:33 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Some point!? Yes, it would be soon, and it would be the last point!
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Jun 25 2005, 03:37 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 5-April 05 Member No.: 7,294 |
We don't need the 'grease man' from oceans 11. We have a sentient puddle of water! |
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Jun 25 2005, 04:03 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Welcome to the boards 'Zraith' :P |
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Jun 25 2005, 06:47 PM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
That die in space. Spirits are of limited usefulness here. |
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 Jun 25 2005, 07:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
Send up the Drop Bears!
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Jun 25 2005, 07:24 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Ya, they are only good to get you clearance for your insider or explosives payload onto the offical supply shuttle. |
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Jun 26 2005, 12:30 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 6 Joined: 5-April 05 Member No.: 7,294 |
He's not a spirit. One of our PC's surged into a sentient puddle of water (wich is hilarious since he's the bigest pyro you'll ever meet). |
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