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Talia Invierno
post Jan 27 2004, 07:12 PM
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Arghh!

I am going to stop making predictions on updates. They seem to guarantee that events to delay that next post will proliferate completely out of proportion. (One reason why I eventually lost my taste for hot liquids which are supposed to be drunk hot: something inevitably came up such that they became tepid liquids before I could get back to them.)

Corrected the quote attribution, Crusher Bob. Sorry.

For now, a relatively short corridor - now that Ghost is into it, she can see where it (and the other arm of this cross-corridor) ends - barely. (It's dim: phosphorescent-type track lighting [blue-green white] in a long strip running along the tops of the doors.)

Lined with what looks like very solid (unrusted) metal doors roughly every 3 or so metres and a similar door at the end, large hinges on the outside, very solid, otherwise the same type of roughed-out walls as the central chamber, and also similarly rounded (lengthwise). Some of the doors are padlocked, large, old-fashioned key locks, others aren't. Stale smell, like the air in here doesn't move all that often. Definite adrenaline pheromones as well. Naturally it's too faint to track.

If she wasn't before, Ghost is definitely starting to get angry - furious! - and just a little afraid. (Although I think the anger is mostly drowning out the fear.)
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post Jan 27 2004, 08:15 PM
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Better have Slotaire shut down al the garbage mashers on the detention level... :D
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post Jan 27 2004, 08:19 PM
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Ghost's getting angry? Fascinating...any chance we have a biomonitor rigged in her suit, feeding data to CC?

I vote (shadowrun by committee) Ghost checks each door for heat signatures and sounds behind them.

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post Jan 27 2004, 08:42 PM
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Trogdor is there, right? Can we have him check Ghost's aura for...magical nasties? (Possibly eminating from the globe or the overall background of violence...)

I also second Siege's motion.
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post Jan 28 2004, 02:33 AM
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It might be a pheremone based effect, masing up might solve the problem.
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post Jan 28 2004, 02:38 AM
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To be fair, it might be the normal paranoia associated with this kind of situation.

However, I'm inclined to think a professional like Ghost wouldn't be prone to flashes of emotion to the point it would interfere with her job.

With that in mind, it might be something artificially induced by the environment -- although I can't imagine exactly what it could be.

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post Jan 28 2004, 02:50 AM
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Since Trogdor isn't getting angry too, it seems likely that it is some physical effect, rather than a magical one.
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post Jan 28 2004, 02:55 AM
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QUOTE (Crusher Bob)
Since Trogdor isn't getting angry too, it seems likely that it is some physical effect, rather than a magical one.

Heh, Trog can cut and run faster than Ghost can. :grinbig:

However, the point is well made and bears looking into.

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post Jan 28 2004, 05:43 AM
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QUOTE (Siege)
Ghost's getting angry? Fascinating...any chance we have a biomonitor rigged in her suit, feeding data to CC?

I vote (shadowrun by committee) Ghost checks each door for heat signatures and sounds behind them.

-Siege

You took the words right out of my mouth.
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post Jan 28 2004, 05:55 AM
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There is a 'gross' biomonitor in the suit to track thingsl ike heart rate, bp, etc. Since it's not the cyber version it probably won't get things like 'anger'.
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post Jan 28 2004, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Jan 28 2004, 05:55 AM)
There is a 'gross' biomonitor in the suit to track thingsl ike heart rate, bp, etc.  Since it's not the cyber version it probably won't get things like 'anger'.

Right, but it might detect the physiological effects of anger; heart rate, blood pressure, (both of which you mentioned) respiration, galvanic (sp?) response of the skin, altered brain wave patterns, etc. I don't know for sure what our suit is equipped with, but maybe we can pick up some of this stuff with it? If so, maybe we could infer something ???
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post Jan 28 2004, 10:49 AM
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My assumption is that it would be a 'combat' biomonitor that wouldn't bother with things not directly related to big gaping holes in the skin.
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post Jan 28 2004, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE (Crusher Bob)
My assumption is that it would be a 'combat' biomonitor that wouldn't bother with things not directly related to big gaping holes in the skin.

Gaping wounds, from bullet holes or cuts from knives? Unconsciousness? There are enough variables to being in combat that I find it entirely plausible heart rate would be included in the general sensing package.

If your heart isn't beating, we might like to know -- although we don't have an autoinjector rigged to the suit (mental note if she lives through this scenario :grinbig: )

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post Jan 28 2004, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (Siege)
QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Jan 28 2004, 10:49 AM)
My assumption is that it would be a 'combat' biomonitor that wouldn't bother with things not directly related to big gaping holes in the skin.

Gaping wounds, from bullet holes or cuts from knives? Unconsciousness? There are enough variables to being in combat that I find it entirely plausible heart rate would be included in the general sensing package.

If your heart isn't beating, we might like to know -- although we don't have an autoinjector rigged to the suit (mental note if she lives through this scenario :grinbig: )

-Siege

Maybe some sort of defibrilator (sp?) based off of the massaging liner modification?
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post Jan 28 2004, 06:27 PM
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Ok, I've been keeping track and peering now and then - and there's something that I can't believe was missed - maybe I'm wrong but...

The troll snake shaman who you called up and asked to be 'ready just in case' - when you decided to check on your 'extraction target' - the same name and specification popped up as part of the team from the botch job a while back. Yes? Curious isn't it - Talia actually dropped one in your lap and it was overlooked.

If I'm in error here I apologise - I will now retire to my dark corner and continue to await developments with fascination. Wish I'd gotten in on the start.

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post Jan 28 2004, 06:42 PM
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There's no set team here. I jumped in well after the project began....
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post Jan 28 2004, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (Mace)
Ok, I've been keeping track and peering now and then - and there's something that I can't believe was missed - maybe I'm wrong but...

The troll snake shaman who you called up and asked to be 'ready just in case' - when you decided to check on your 'extraction target' - the same name and specification popped up as part of the team from the botch job a while back. Yes? Curious isn't it - Talia actually dropped one in your lap and it was overlooked.

If I'm in error here I apologise - I will now retire to my dark corner and continue to await developments with fascination. Wish I'd gotten in on the start.

:eek:


Do you have links and quotes!?
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post Jan 28 2004, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (Shanshu Freeman)
QUOTE (Siege @ Jan 28 2004, 02:20 PM)
QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Jan 28 2004, 10:49 AM)
My assumption is that it would be a 'combat' biomonitor that wouldn't bother with things not directly related to big gaping holes in the skin.

Gaping wounds, from bullet holes or cuts from knives? Unconsciousness? There are enough variables to being in combat that I find it entirely plausible heart rate would be included in the general sensing package.

If your heart isn't beating, we might like to know -- although we don't have an autoinjector rigged to the suit (mental note if she lives through this scenario :grinbig: )

-Siege

Maybe some sort of defibrilator (sp?) based off of the massaging liner modification?

Defib? Nah, that falls into the realm of "ohmigod, MEDIC!"

However, an autoinjector loaded with the chemical equivalent of a trauma patch could keep the subject alive long enough for the paramedic to show up.

Although for deep infiltration, you may not want to be taken alive...

-Siege
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post Jan 28 2004, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE (Shanshu Freeman)
QUOTE (Mace @ Jan 28 2004, 06:27 PM)
Ok, I've been keeping track and peering now and then - and there's something that I can't believe was missed - maybe I'm wrong but...

The troll snake shaman who you called up and asked to be 'ready just in case' - when you decided to check on your 'extraction target' - the same name and specification popped up as part of the team from the botch job a while back. Yes? Curious isn't it - Talia actually dropped one in your lap and it was overlooked.

If I'm in error here I apologise - I will now retire to my dark corner and continue to await developments with fascination. Wish I'd gotten in on the start.

:eek:


Do you have links and quotes!?

Erk.

Can someone check? I'd hate to think we fumbled a Nerf ball...

-Siege
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Talia Invierno
post Jan 28 2004, 09:07 PM
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I find the Edit: Find (on This Page) function to be very useful :) Within this thread, the reference is back about 4 or so pages.

Welcome to the thread, Mace. Nice catch :) (Lurkers 2, and counting.) Like kevyn668 said, it's very much a jump in anytime thing.

The biomonitor issue has already been talked out, I think. Heartbeat, breathing, sweat - your basic lie detector + wound detector. Trauma patch yes as standard, defibrilator no. You'd be picking up a steadily rising curve of standard flight/fight responses.
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Trogdor is there, right? Can we have him check Ghost's aura for...magical nasties? (Possibly eminating from the globe or the overall background of violence...)
- kevyn668

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Since Trogdor isn't getting angry too, it seems likely that it is some physical effect, rather than a magical one.
- Crusher Bob

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Heh, Trog can cut and run faster than Ghost can.
- Siege

Actually Trogdor is having problems of his own. He'd planned to quickly ghost ahead (after doing the once-over of the central room) - but that current is creating a bit of a suction effect there, so at the moment he's feeling a mite trapped (along with all that goes with that feeling). Not panicked yet - professionalism, plus he did finally manage to break free and catch up with Ghost in this cross-corridor, although he was almost swept along the other (Ghost probably never even noticed, this happened fast) - but not very far from it.
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I vote (shadowrun by committee) Ghost checks each door for heat signatures and sounds behind them.
- Siege

Miserable place to try to isolate heat signatures, not least since Ghost's own body heat is the most visible trace around. Did I mention the doors were thick? They also apparently have something of thermal insulating quality. Almost certainly they are close to soundproof.
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post Jan 28 2004, 10:36 PM
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I think we should check whats behind one if the unlocked doors, if they lead to cells then hopefully our target is behind one of them.
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post Jan 28 2004, 11:12 PM
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*smiles and bows* - Sorry for not quoting the relevant sections - I read through twice and simply wrote.

I'm REALLY interested in what said shaman would have to say about the extraction target. If Talia's willing to allow for 'backdate' on our rush for information as setting up, that would be high on the list and then some.

As for Ghost's immediate actions - while Trogdors trying to keep from getting sucked away and watching her ass - approach each door and take a good whiff. If she can smell 'woman' from one of them in greater strength than the others...

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post Jan 29 2004, 06:31 PM
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Sure, I'll allow for backdate (as quick or slow as everyone wants). That's part of the point of this thread and the later post mortem thread: how to go about doing a specific type of run, what would have been done differently with (partial or complete) hindsight.

How would you have asked said shaman? Who would have done the asking? And what would have been asked? (Summaries and paraphrasing okay for this - I'm just trying to get a sense of the approach, here.)

One more note re doors (before I forget):

Some of the padlocks aren't closed (ie. click-locked). Others are. And some doors are not padlocked at all.
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post Jan 29 2004, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE (Talia Invierno)


Some of the padlocks aren't closed (ie. click-locked). Others are. And some doors are not padlocked at all.

While the great thinkers are considering the other business about dealing with our shaman friend, I'm going to suggest our characters take an interest in the nearest *click* padlocked door. Let's investigate it.
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post Jan 30 2004, 12:22 AM
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I think we should check an unlocked door first, if all the doors appear the same, then we'll be able to confirm what to expect behind the locked door.

It seems likely that these are cells, but these could be where the 'night watch' are kept. Maybe the reinforcements are kept behind lock and key till they're needed!
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