Infiltration Challenge, Examining situation variables |
Infiltration Challenge, Examining situation variables |
Sep 5 2003, 08:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 4-March 03 Member No.: 4,196 |
Well, the idea is that the files will be dealt with quickly, otherwise there's no point risking communication. I'd like them readable and looked at by the decker before Ghost hits the roof (and therefore before Trogdor floats to lev -2 if that's what he's going to do). If that's not enough time, then before Ghost enters lev -2. If it's not even possible to do during the duration of the run, then the decker shouldn't bother.
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Sep 5 2003, 08:47 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
Definite "probably not" within that timeframe. All things are potentially possible, of course - but whoever it is would need one heck of a task pool!
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Sep 5 2003, 09:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 4-March 03 Member No.: 4,196 |
That's why I mentioned groups when asking about contacts. Could a group do it and can the decker have a group as a contact (level 2 or 3, for trust purposes)? If it's doable, I want it done. I'm hoping it's the exact location of the target, map, and all passcodes for security; and not just some huge cache of troll porn. Even if it tells what the team is up against (or confirms what they're not against) it'll be useful. |
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Sep 5 2003, 09:08 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
Considering the trust issue, I'm putting this one on ice (just until tomorrow!) to see if anyone else has any major objections - or, barring that, has some contact groups to suggest. Since Solitaire is not an otaku, I don't know that an otaku tribe qualifies as particularly trustworthy in this context ...?
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Sep 5 2003, 11:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 4-March 03 Member No.: 4,196 |
I almost forgot about Diamond's contacts. He might know someone who can help.
The trust can be held several ways, I don't particularly care how. Maybe it's professional code, they never reveal information about a client (in this case, Solitaire or Diamond), or maybe they're best friends/relatives, or it's fear of retribution (burn Solitaire, get burned worse), or just a one-shot favor owed. Anything will do. The reason for a reliable contact is to keep things quiet, after all the run has to be covert in every way. It's not critical, but an option I think is worth exploring. Especially because it doesn't directly endanger any of the team (I did say securely and discretely, otherwise no-go) or the run itself. |
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Sep 6 2003, 01:11 AM
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Samurai Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 574 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lancashire,UK Member No.: 169 |
I'll start working on both characters, but I'll stop work on any character that someone else wants to create.
I think the current relay system, using the spider drones, is only to pass radio messages to Ghost if / when she's in the basement levels. Rigger control of the spiders isn't a problem as they are being "hardwired" to the roof, but this couldn't be used to control any combat drones operating in the (rumoured) -2 level as rigger control signals can only be relayed using the retransmission unit, which is too big (1CF + any power amps) to fit into a micro spider drone. So I think I'd design Advent with at least one of the rotor relay/combat drones, a retransmission drone is always useful to a rigger anyway, because as well as extending your range they add complimentary dice to MIJI tests if their coverage overlaps your decks. However...
... they may not be useful to the current situation, if we can't get combat / evac drones down to -2 ( if -2 exists ). And you can't fit a Westwind in a lift :( , even if you are a rigger. Still in an emergency it could be used to evac Ghost and the girl if they make it as far as the parking area, or at least provide a diversion as they head for the ground floor or roof. If Advent can afford two of the roto drones, one could act as a relay / provide fire-support in the parking area, while the second goes through the elevator to the level -1 corridor or to -2 to give some heavy support for Ghost.
I've already read all the posts, including those on the old forum, so I've seen the equipment that's already fixed. On the topic of Solitaire's contacts analysing the data, one of the example contacts in Matrix is "Researcher", they seem to be specifically made to give this kind of assistance, and would probably have access to a Mainframe to help them. Another option would be a single otaku rather than a whole tribe, provided they have the Info Sortilage echo, this allows them to uncover clues, or buried facts in large amounts of data that other people wouldn't be able to find, and they only take 1-3 hours to do it, I think an otaku with this echo would make a tremendous contact for any decker. However it does require the otaku to have at least one submersion grade. Could Solitaire have access to an otaku contact with submersion grade(s), maybe by paying level 2 or 3 contact prices, but only getting level 1 friendship. Anyway it after 2am here, so I'm going to bed. |
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Sep 6 2003, 10:58 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
My preference would be for Trogdor to provide direct astral support to Ghost. Since the most 'feared' type of contact would be some sort of magical thingy, having them together makes them both much safer. If it becomes necessary to crash the wards, then then can both do so at the same time. Also, this makes communication much simpler and allows the rest of the team to comm via watchers if the radio goes out. (This is also a bit of a table-top habit, in that it makes the GM's job simpler, it might not really apply in this situation. but having a pair at the sharp end is typically better than having two singletons.)
As for Advent I was assuming the presence of 1-2 airborne combat drones waiting outside, as part of the two pronged assault plan. I think that the basic rotor-drone with light armor and Mg of some sort is pretty cheap. |
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Sep 6 2003, 03:39 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
Sleep is optional :D
Sounds like we'll need to know exactly what all of the rigger's drones are. Don't forget the wörwagen! (It's waiting a few blocks up, as I recall) Unless there's any objection, I'll assume your relay system has been put in place, Raiko. It's no problem for Trogdor to quickly find Ghost (should you agree upon that as your option). As you point out, Crusher Bob, this would place Trogdor within the linked radio network. Timeline comparison: at the time when Trogdor ran into the wageslave, Ghost would have just been entering the top floor airducts (more or less - close enough for these purposes). Would it be fair to hope that a short-term course of action (all actions taken up to and until Ghost reaches -1) could be decided upon by Monday? I'll have about 4-5 more hours of in-and-out monitoring time on this today. Before I leave, if someone comes up with an appropriate contact (and reason, in this case) and if there's no objections (and if they succeed!): I'll summarise the filched files. Beyond that, I'm gone until Monday. (And there was much rejoicing in the Lounge ;) ) |
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Sep 8 2003, 01:15 PM
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Samurai Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 574 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lancashire,UK Member No.: 169 |
Sorry for the delay, my weekend was busier than expected.
Here is a full list of Advent's vehicles / drones. I'll edit this post tonight with his stats, skill, etc. I'll also add more details for the drones, and correct 1 or 2 minor errors I've noticed. I'm posting from work so I don't have my books with me. ------------------------------------------------------- Ares Roadmaster "Warwagon" Handling 2/10, Speed 135, Accel 6, Body 5(11), Armour 5, Sig 1 Auto Nav/Pilot 3/3, Sensor 3, Cargo 13.6CF, Load 1496.5 Seating 2 + 2B, Price 189750¥. Small Remote Popup Turret With Ingram Valiant LMG (Smartlink 2) with Vehicle Gyro-stab( 8 ) & Smartlink 2 Integration Kit 0.4CF Ammo Bins (4000rnd max), 600rnd std ammo, 400rnds gel ammo. Concealed Armour(5), Personal Armour(6), APPS, Roll Bars Enviroseal (gas), Anti-theft(6) + Electric Shock (10S), Drone Rack for 4 MCT-N Rotodrones. Electronics Ports for RCD, Cyberdeck, Scanner, Sat Dish & Laser Link Turbocharging(3), Improved Suspension(2), Rigger Adaption, RC Link, Adv Drone Pilot(3), AutoNav(3), Sensors(3) ------------------------------------------------------- Westwind 2000 "Evac / persuit Drone" Handling 2/8, Speed 270, Accel 14, Body 3(9), Armour 1, Sig 1 Auto Nav/Pilot 3/3, Sensor 1, Cargo 4.55CF, Load 20 Seating 2, Price 169850¥. Micro Remote Popup Turret With FN HAR Assault Rifle (Smartlink 2) with Smartlink 2 Integration Kit 0.2CF Ammo Bin (2000rnd max), 400rnd std ammo. Concealed Armour(1), Personal Armour(6), APPS, Roll Bars Anti-theft(6) + Electric Shock (10S), Turbocharging(4), Improved Suspension(1), Rigger Adaption, RC Link, Adv Drone Pilot(3), BattleTac IVIS Receiver, Electronics Port for RCD ------------------------------------------------------- Condor LDSD-41 "Transporter" Handling 4, Speed 75, Accel 5, Body 2, Armour 3, Sig 10 Auto Nav/Pilot 0/3, Sensor 1, Cargo 4CF, Load 28 Price 33650¥. I Changed the original LDSD-23 condor for improved LDSD-41 as the 4CF cargo capacity allows the drone to carry the Ferret and Arachoids, the LDSD-23 only has 1CF cargo, which is not enough. ------------------------------------------------------- Condor LDSD-41 "Eye in the Sky" Handling 4, Speed 75, Accel 5, Body 2, Armour 3, Sig 10 Auto Nav/Pilot 0/3, Sensor 1, Cargo 0CF, Load 13 Micro Remote Popup Turret With FN HAR Assault Rifle (Suppressed) No ammo bin, so only double standard ammo = 70 rnds std ammo Electronic Ports for Laser Mike, Shotgun Mike & Laser Link BattleTac IVIS Receiver, Laser Mike(5), Shotgun Mike(5), Laser Relay Price 78100¥. ------------------------------------------------------- 2 MCT-N Rotodrones (Retransmission) Handling 4, Speed 70, Accel 6, Body 2, Armour 4, Sig 4 Auto Nav/Pilot 0/3, Sensor 1, Cargo 0.3CF, Load 37 Retransmission Unit Power Amps(2) Micro Remote Turret With FN HAR Assault Rifle (Suppressed) Ammo Bin, 200 rnds Std Ammo Vehicle Armour(4) Adv Drone Pilot(3), BattleTac IVIS Receiver Price 90500¥ each. ------------------------------------------------------- 2 MCT-N Rotodrones (Combat) Handling 4, Speed 70, Accel 6, Body 2, Armour 5, Sig 4 Auto Nav/Pilot 0/3, Sensor 1, Cargo 0.8CF, Load 14.5 External Fixed Hardpoint with Ingram Valiant LMG Ammo Bin, 200rnds std ammo, 100 rnds gel ammo Vehicle Armour(5) Autosoft Port with Sharpshooter(3) & Datalink(3) Adv Drone Pilot(3), BattleTac IVIS Receiver Price 69750¥ each (excluding software) ------------------------------------------------------- 4 Arachnoids 1 Ferret 1 Artemis Nightglider ------------------------------------------------------- The Rotodrones are currently in the Warwagon's drone rack, they can be launched while the wagon is moving if necessary, so this won't be a problem. The "Eye in the sky" Condor in loitering 1500m above the target site, I'd like to send the transporter Condor to watch the local Lone Star precinct house after it's deployed the Ferret and 2 of the Arachnoids, as a backup to monitoring on the scanner. The Westwind is parked up behind the Warwagon. Advents latest RC deck is rating 8 allowing 16 drones on the subscriber list, with 8 affiliated at once. The 8 currently affiliated are: the Warwagon ( hardwired), the 2 condors, the 2 Arachoids, the nightglider & one of each type of rotodrone (for immediate launch, if necessary). One of the rotodrones will be disaffiliated while the Ferret is doing it's work. Advent is currently in captains chair mode monitoring these drones, and the scanner (via his RCD's intercomm). ------------------------------------------------------- I've not done Solitaire yet but I'll get her done tonight or tomorrow, even if it means I don't get any sleep :D Her contacts will definitly include a researcher( level 2 ) and an otaku( level 1), the otaku will be paid for as a level 2 contact in order to have the info-sortilage echo. The researcher is an old college boyfriend who's still a good enough friend to count as rating 2, he has access to a mainframe but might not be able to get back to us before Ghost goes in. The okaku is a street contact, Solitaire worked as part of a team that protected his tribe from a local Triad group a year or so ago, she doesn't trust him any more than any other street contact, but he should be able to analyse the data faster than the researcher. If nobody has any objections she can send the files to both contacts, to increase the chances of getting the data back in time. |
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Sep 8 2003, 03:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
Thanks, Raiko. I'll keep monitoring - leaving off most of the questions until you're done. (Looks like everyone's weekend was busier than expected :D) I don't have my books with me either - what's the availability on a Roadmaster and Ingram Valiant LMG again? (I'll probably let it slide if it isn't too extreme - just want to know.)
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Sep 9 2003, 12:13 AM
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Samurai Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 574 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lancashire,UK Member No.: 169 |
I've editted Advent's vehicle / drone list now.
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Sep 9 2003, 12:18 AM
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Samurai Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 574 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lancashire,UK Member No.: 169 |
The availability of the Roadmaster is 3, it's a unarmoured civilian version of the citymaster, I guess it's like the civilian Hummer ( only bigger ;) )
The Ingram Valient is availability 6. I'm pretty sure I've avoided any equipment with more than 8 availability. There are some rating 8 items, these were all bought from the extra 600K not from starting funds. |
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Sep 9 2003, 12:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 4-March 03 Member No.: 4,196 |
If Solitaire had the "Friends in High Places" edge (2 points, p. 27 SRcomp) would that provide a contact that could analyze the file quickly enough (and not tell anyone)?
Good point. Now that Ghost has entered the building, Trodgor should probably stick with her. |
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Sep 9 2003, 01:04 AM
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Samurai Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 574 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lancashire,UK Member No.: 169 |
Advent - Human Male Drone Rigger
Body 3, Quick 6, Str 3 Cha 4, Intell 6, Will 4 Ess 1.37 React 6(10) Initiative 6 + 1d6 Rigging 10 + 3d6 Combat Pool 8 Control Pool 10 ACTIVE SKILLS Car(Remote) 4( 8 ), Electronics(Elect Warfare) 5( 8 ) Electronics B/R 5, Etiquette 2, Gunnery(Ingram Valiant) 5(6), LTA(Remote) 4(5), Rotor Craft(Remote) 4( 8 ), Shotgun(SPAS) 2(4) Small Unit Tactics (BattleTac) 5( 8 ), Stealth(Sneak) 3(5) KNOWLEDGE SKILLS Lone Star Tactics 5, Criminal Organisations 3, Security Companies 4, Security Procedures 3, Fashion 3, Combat Biking 4, Elven Wines 3. LANGUAGES English(Cityspeak) 4(6), R/W 2, Japanese 2 EDGES / FLAWS Aptitude ( Small Unit Tactics), Connected(1) (Mechanic), Low Pain Threshold, Pacifist (Self Defence Only), Weak Immune System ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CYBERWARE VCR 2; Smartlink 2; Ear Recorder; Alpha Cybereyes with Lowlight, Flare Comp & Opticam; Headware Memory( 100MP ); Datajack CONTACTS Mechanic (2), Arms Dealer (2), Fixer(1), Technician(1), Gang Leader(1), Lone Star Rigger(1), Bar Tender(1) OTHER GEAR SPAS Shotgun with 20 rnds std, 20 rnds Gel, 20 rnds Shot ammo. Scanner( 8 ) Form Fitting Body Armour(3) 8 x Tres Chic Cloths Pocket Secretary. Thermo Goggles, Pocket Flashlight. High Lifestyle (1 month pre-paid) Remote Control Deck (6) (old deck fitted in Westwind) Remote Control Deck ( 8 ) with one extra i/f port. - BattleTac IVIS Master Unit - Intercom - A/V Display - ECCM(6) - RC Biofeedback Filter(3) - RCEM(6) - Rigger decryption module(6) - Rigger Protocol Emulation Module(6) - Signal Amps(6) - Storage Memory (2000MP) AUTOSOFTS Sharpshooter 3 (72 MP) Clearsight 3 (54 MP) Datalink 3 (54 MP) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Former Lone-Star Drone Rigger, Advent left the Star three years ago when he realised that Lone Star aren't much better than the criminals that they chase, and that he could make much more money using his talents in the private sector. As he still has the idealism that made him join the Star in the first place, Advent will not take wetwork contracts, and will only use violence in defence, he also tends to use supressive fire or gel round first to make enemies seek cover, rather than killing them. Advent teamed up with Solitaire about one year ago ago shortly after she quit MCT, they have been running together since and are well versed at using micro drones to patch into offline matrix and CCSS systems. <edit> I missed the Protocol Emulation Module from the RCD </edit> |
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Sep 9 2003, 12:47 PM
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Samurai Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 574 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lancashire,UK Member No.: 169 |
Does "Friends in High Places" give the contact for free or is it applied to a contact bought normally from resources, I've only got the 2nd edition SRcomp, so I don't know if the description has changed. Either way I'll apply the FiHP edge to Solitaire's Researcher contact, and make him one of the heads of R&D at a AA megacorp (probably Transys-Neuronet). |
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Sep 9 2003, 06:31 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
Thanks (for availability), sorry: I was getting the three "Master" series vehicles mixed up. I also left this until among later today because I wanted to think about what you'd written before answering. I'll basically go down the list and make notes as I run into them. The changes to the Condor work. General Advent question: the bracketed skills apply when working through the VCR?
Bear in mind also that it's quite common Lone Star practice to send up their own drones, for parallel (if opposite) purposes. You should be all right with a signature 10, though.
What was his major?
Works - and that's exactly the idea.
Within what Raiko suggests for the researcher contact, probably yes to the first. The second's more debatable, but Solitaire hasn't spotted a single reference to Transys-Neuronet or any of its known subsidiaries in what information she's managed to pull up "loose". (Somewhere along the line Solitaire seems to have turned female. Fine by me :D)
Regardless of canon, if you buy the edge I'll rule you get the contact for free. As per the discussion on the other thread, he obviously won't do anything to endanger Transys-Neuronet in any way, and there might possibly be other scruples. In the interests of keeping this going, if no one's objected by 1830 board time or by the time you give me the researcher/old boyfriend's academic area, Raiko (whichever comes later), the files were sent to the otaku and the researcher for deciphering a few hours back. (Yes, I'm revising a bit of history in the team's favour. It's an examination of infiltration, not a strict run.) Similarly, if no one's objected by Friday this time to Trogdor's finding and sticking with Ghost, that's what's happening - and I'll take the story from there. Okay with everyone? |
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Sep 9 2003, 07:32 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Only because it's more fun to imagine a babe in a bodysuit instead of a bloke.
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Sep 9 2003, 10:14 PM
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Samurai Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 574 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lancashire,UK Member No.: 169 |
Sorry Talia, Solitaire's earlier tantrum must have made me think of a female ;)
I'll make sure I include some Tres Chic bodysuits in her gear :D
Yes, Advent controls all the vehicles including whichever one he happens to be in via the RCD (the warwagon & westwind both have electronic ports for an RCD). That way he can slip into captain's chair mode or direct control of a drone while his own vehicle is on the move.
Note that the researcher contact as given in Matrix specializes in sifting through databases, etc: hunting out information within their specialized subjects ( 10 knowledges at level 6 + database knowledge 6). I've looked at the information about Transys-Neuronet in Man & Machine, and they seem to be very keen on researching cybermancy at their (2!) delta-clinics. As this contact is now a FiHP I'd like him to be part of the team at one of the delta clinics ( but this would be far too secret for him to let Solitaire know, she just knows that he works in a cybertech clinic R&D area). If this is ok then his knowledge skills would relate to a mixture of cybertech, biotech, computer & magical theory. |
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Sep 9 2003, 10:17 PM
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Samurai Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 574 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lancashire,UK Member No.: 169 |
I'll try to complete Solitaire tonight and post her details tomorrow.
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Sep 9 2003, 11:54 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
Cyberware researcher certainly, but
I don't think so! As a former boyfriend that's a starting contact! :spin: Although (in a way) one or more members of the team may already have a 'ware contact ... all depends on how this run goes. Files cracked without losing too much to utility traps - yes, there were some - but those on it somewhat bogged down in account-ese. Personnel records are the easy part, but the rest makes a rather convoluted set of books and they're none of them MBAs. As of the time of run they've managed to figure out the following: * This is in the process of becoming the new head office. The former head office, now becoming a branch, is that place in Georgia (former SSR). You also now have the location of several other branch offices throughout N. America and Europe, as well as the address of the warehouse in Odessa. * This branch (you don't have the personnel records for the others) has an extremely high rate of personnel turnover. * Solitaire's friend comments that most of the employees have unusual names for Seattle. * As nearly as they can tell, this branch seems to be operating at a loss. It may have done so for a while, but the number-crunching is taking a while. |
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Sep 10 2003, 12:37 AM
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Samurai Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 574 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lancashire,UK Member No.: 169 |
:eek: Sorry, I was thinking more of the knowledge skill mix of cyber / magic from working on these teams rather than ever getting cyberware from the clinic, after all he would have been located in Europe at a clinic so secret that he would never reveal it's existance to Solitaire, and the clinic would only be used by T-N personel anyway, the players in my campaign don't even know there is such a thing as a delta-clinic :D . Still, since T-N are working in that direction anyway, I suppose he could have the same knowledge mix without being involved with the delta-clinics. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It doesn't look like there is anything in the data to stop Ghost going ahead, although this site looks more suspicious than ever. |
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Sep 10 2003, 08:52 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: 4-March 03 Member No.: 4,196 |
Any examples? Seattle in 2050+ is probably one of the more ethnically/culturally diverse locations around. Are they all named John-something? (point of good karma if you get the reference)
This makes me a little less worried. At least there's an excuse for the excavation; although that could be just as expensive as a new building so I'm still paranoid.
And these people are fired/quit and are hired by other businesses or do they just disappear. I realize that information might not be accessible in the time frame, but what does a quick search of 25 names/SINs of people no longer with the company come up with?
Agreed.
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Sep 10 2003, 02:13 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
Examples of names: * Aghavni Choxeli * Romko Zakharii * Timur Apkhazava * Shalva Ketsbaia * Yavuz Papava The first is female, the rest are male. The male/female ratio here is about 3:1.
The file just ends. No notation, no follow-up. The wageslaves do have identification numbers that looked at first glance a good deal like SINs - but when you asked the question they checked a bit further, and it seems to be an internal catalogue system used by the business. In fact, they can't find a trace of a SIN in those initial random 25 you suggested. Now they're checking through the rest of the file to see if there's any SINs listed there. Oh, and re Ghost: I still would like to know what equipment she has on her that's currently in active use (as opposed to being carried against its potential need). |
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Sep 10 2003, 03:33 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Would guess that they are Georgian, Ukrainian, or something like that. We already know that the company already has move facilities there. If the team needs to do anything after this run, hitting the SIN databases over there might get something useful. If the employees are mostly 'illegals' then the records on them might not really be available.
As for Ghost: I would assume that she would have the manriki-gusari ready (since you can't quick draw it, and it takes till the end of the turn to get the narcojet going) with everything else 'ready to go'. Sigh, I miss the neat holster from Star Frontiers, that was a very expensive 'smart holster' that let you carry your gun in a 'quick draw' type arrangement, but wouldn't let it fall out (or someone else draw it). The response to being detected by guard(s) would either be 'advance and whip) or quickdraw pistol and shoot, depending on the circumstances. With Trogdor available to cover any magical threats, that should take care of most things (see my earlier concern about immunity to magical weapons). The pistol would be on a hip holster, with everything else strapped to the chest, thighs, or small or the back. "Does this make me look fat?" ;) |
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Sep 10 2003, 07:20 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 |
Thanks, Crusher Bob. I'll give it another 12-36 hours for objections (I'm not quite sure what my own free time is going to be like yet), and then I'll move to the next stage.
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