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post Sep 3 2005, 07:15 PM
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Orange Hard if I recall correctly
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post Sep 3 2005, 07:20 PM
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Actually,

QUOTE (pg.16 Rigger 3)
Because the potential for wreaking havoc and injury by messing with GridGuide is quite high, GridGuide hosts are well protected, usually rated Red-Hard.  These hosts are almost always crawling with security deckers of Equal or Superior ratings.... Black IC ... at least one backup host ...


Maybe try adding dataline taps to selected cameras instead?
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post Sep 4 2005, 04:12 AM
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Let's also discuss what we might do if we do notice someone closing on our location... Escape? (to?) Dig in?

Even with surviellance, we can still miss a disguised transport or something.

If the rewards out weigh the risks, I'm onboard.
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post Sep 5 2005, 08:43 PM
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GridGuide is still under some debate. Is everyone confirmed for moving Juliana into a warded room?
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post Sep 6 2005, 04:21 AM
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QUOTE (Talia Invierno)
GridGuide is still under some debate. Is everyone confirmed for moving Juliana into a warded room?

I vote yea
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post Sep 6 2005, 06:57 AM
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Fine with me.
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post Sep 7 2005, 07:10 PM
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Yea.
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post Sep 7 2005, 08:24 PM
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Had to confirm specifically, because as it turns out there is interaction between the collar and the ward ...

The immediate initial result is that the collar sends out another pulse, which will affect everyone in the vicinity. This could have serious implications for Diamond, the degree of which depends on exact timing.
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post Sep 7 2005, 08:31 PM
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Give the PCs enough rope and they'll cliffhang themselves with it. :dead:
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post Sep 7 2005, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE (Talia Invierno)
Had to confirm specifically, because as it turns out there is interaction between the collar and the ward ...

The immediate initial result is that the collar sends out another pulse, which will affect everyone in the vicinity. This could have serious implications for Diamond, the degree of which depends on exact timing.

Perhaps Diamond is already being tended to in another, seperately warded room of our group lifestyle?


(pretty please)
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post Sep 8 2005, 10:42 PM
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Perhaps Diamond is already being tended to in another, seperately warded room of our group lifestyle?

Not a logical assumption, based on what has been said in this thread about there being a warded room.

Need a canon ruling: where physical track is full (overflow), can stun track still be filled separately?
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post Sep 9 2005, 06:15 PM
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Hm, I don't know if canon has anything to say on the matter. My gut tells me it still fills seperately, if only because it would by default. No Pool dice to resiste though. :)

More important, though: Diamond would likely have gone in first, being on a stretcher and all. Is he getting hit by the pulse through the ward, or is Juliana's collar getting through the ward *then* pulsing?
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post Sep 9 2005, 06:29 PM
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@ Talia: I've never seen anything canon that says anything about it. Like Eyeless Blond, I'd think it would still fill separately, because that is the default.

@Eyeless: I believe the situation was that Diamond was brought into a central room at the front of the domicile to be treated, while we were going to take Juliana into another room that was already warded (with an assumption that it opened into the central room, though that could have just been something I assumed).
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post Sep 9 2005, 09:04 PM
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Again, no source to cite but I would lean towards the stun monitor filling separately and overflowing onto physical as normal. Probably destabilizes him too boot.
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post Sep 15 2005, 11:07 PM
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What I'd understood by it was that the room had been pre-warded, not that someone was going to spend however-many-hours warding it after something or someone enters it: which means that something active interacted with something active. If the latter, of course, you have an entirely different problem ;)

My own default is to keep the stun track as intact: which in this case will probably save Diamond's life. The effect doesn't take down anyone else who isn't already down, although for Solitaire it comes close (she's well into serious Stun now), and a still-unconscious Ghost slips into physical damage.

Incidentally, this is at the moment of point of contact with the ward. Juliana isn't yet inside. There is resistance between the ward and what's around her neck.

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post Sep 16 2005, 06:13 PM
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Based on the force through a barrier rules I'd expect the ward to be destroyed if we puch hard enough (maybe the death focus too). However, I don't think that we want to continue pushing if its going to continue hurting us -- call the ward quits and tend to the wounded.

We should also ask Galina what she thinks of the collar and talk to our Johnson As quickly as possible!

By the way, have we performed a visible inspection of the collar? There isn't an off switch or simple release mechanism is there?
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post Sep 16 2005, 06:24 PM
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I agree, observe in detail.
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post Sep 16 2005, 07:17 PM
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Agreed, we need to have Galina looking at that collar now.

Calling the Johnson, I'm not so sure about. At one point there was talk of possibly not completing the contract and working for Juliana or Galina instead. Did we ever come to any decisions on that? Or did we just put it off until we could get more info from Juliana?

If there is any chance at all of us not taking her to the Johnson, we should not be calling him at this time.
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post Sep 17 2005, 06:05 AM
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I'm fairly certain The Package can surmise that removing her from that cell was not a humanitarian mission... now that a trickle more time has passed, has she hinted at all about her desires re: whomever engineered her extaction?

Once we are reasonably back on our feet, then let's pursue a: contact with our employer, or b: other possibilities.

in terms of "b," I personally would consider doing The Package's bidding if 1. She has a better offer, 2. She's powerfull enough our cooperation or lack thereof will be inconsequential or our resistance to her will is futile, and 3. She can give us absoloute safety from consequences regarding our current employers. (Is this likely considering the circumstances under which we said we'd agree to take the job? Dependant on The Package's "Juice.")

meanwhile, let's get back up on our feet, we can crosstalk, and until we're good to go, or something happens, we can maybe put off deciding on calling the Johnson or crossing the Johnson.
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post Sep 19 2005, 03:15 PM
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By the way, have we performed a visible inspection of the collar? There isn't an off switch or simple release mechanism is there?
- pragma

Not to the cursory visual inspection.
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now that a trickle more time has passed, has she hinted at all about her desires re: whomever engineered her extaction?
- Shanshu Freeman

She has expressed no curiosity about it whatsoever: or rather, she seems open to whatever information you want to give, but she's not asking, not even a questioning look. What you're not telling, she isn't asking.

That's after she gets over the most recent effects of the collar, of course: during those points in time there is very little focus on anything else, for reasons all of you can by now appreciate.

Fyi: you do realise that you have only two team members who are still conscious?
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post Sep 19 2005, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (Talia Invierno)
Fyi: you do realise that you have only two team members who are still conscious?

YES we do. Too many cooks spoiling the broth, I think. Though keep in mind most of the oldsters voted to ditch this mission from the get-go; I guess they weren't wrong. :)

Well so much for the ward. Did we have anyone at all on the other side of it to gauge the effects of having a ward between Package and other people? Either way we still ought to get a ward's barrier between her and the extremely damaged (which by now includes everyone but Galina), so I guess they go into the ward instead. Keep her as far as physically possible and socially acceptable from the rest of the group, and just sit tight until everyone's a little less dead (eg. at least Stun boxes are empty).

After that... what Shanshu Freeman said. :)
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post Sep 19 2005, 11:42 PM
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I'm good with killing time. Given the state Solitaire is likely in we can hold off on GridGuide. Just keep an eye in the sky and our fingers crossed.

Advent didn't happen to avoid the last pulse did he?
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post Sep 28 2005, 08:15 PM
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I'm having a hard time distinguishing what's aimed at me and what's general questioning?
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Did we have anyone at all on the other side of it to gauge the effects of having a ward between Package and other people?
- Eyeless Blond

Not as far as I know?
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Advent didn't happen to avoid the last pulse did he?
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No, he didn't. He's still conscious though.

Could someone re-post exactly which parts of what Shanshu said are to be valid at this point? What I'm understanding is that you tried to hustle her quickly through the "back door" and into the warded area -- which had consequences. At the same time presumably someone took Diamond to Galina through the front door?

Will be away Thursday through Sunday.
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post Oct 13 2005, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (Talia Invierno)
What I'm understanding is that you tried to hustle her quickly through the "back door" and into the warded area -- which had consequences. At the same time presumably someone took Diamond to Galina through the front door?

I'll defer on this.


My opinion on further action is a defensive posture until we're in better shape.
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post Oct 14 2005, 10:10 PM
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Agree? Disagree? Can't identify anything else solid that I can act on.
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