Intelligence Agencies Options

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

The DSA was UCAS, but the SIA was CAS. I firmly believe that "DSA" was a typo, especially since AFAIK it was mentioned maybe once or twice. However, since SONA is more recent, I'm even more willing to disregard the SIA for what SONA says. Intelligence agencies don't change names or jurisdictions with much frequency, although I can't say what has happened in CAS since 2056 that might have precipitated such a change. The last changes in the U.S. where the merging of a couple of offices and agencies into NIMA in the early 1990s for efficiency purposes, and the creation of the DHS and FBI Office of Intelligence in 2003.

I think there's a general flexibility inherent in the novels (I know a guy who went nuts over a section in Run Hard, Die Fast where Argent did something with an Osprey he swore up and down was a violation of the laws of physics), and I have a general aversion to them. YMMV. The same thing to an extent goes with ConsOps from Aztlan unless they're l33t secret.

I checked the Seattle Sourcebook, and in the Dadson entry (In Everett, p. 89) SPD says it is supposed to be a front for the CFS Intelligence Service, which itself is supposed to be a front for the Japanese Intelligence Agency.

Raygun, a few things re: your page:

1. Since when has the USSS been an intelligence agency?
2. Interpol was mentioned in Cyberpirates! and CD.
3. MIFD was mentioned in CD.
4. Seraphim is all CATCo, presumably HQ'd in Quebec with CATCo.

While I respect the initial need for canon references, I find it hard to be that Army and Naval Intelligence would go away anytime soon, especially since they both predate every other existing agency in the U.S.

[Raygun]

Supercool. Thanks, Flak. :)

[Johnny the Bull]

CATco

Cross Applied Technologies, now part of the big 10 mega's. A quebecian(sp?) company formed by Lucien Cross, apparently one of the people that helped Knight do the nanosecond buyout. Greatly strengthened by the arrival of Leonard Aurelius after he sold his stock in Ares and bought into Cross. Divisions have formed between the old Cross assets and those brought in by Aurelius. Cross specialise in high end computer hardware, software and biotechnology IIRC.

The Seraphim are Cross' elite, somewhat mysterious intelligence agency. Individually, their agents are probably the best in the world and are completely loyal to cross. The agents often take on biblical names and do things that are in the corps best interest, often at the expense of the board. It is rumored they pulled a string of hits that landed them a seat on the corporate court.

[Raygun]

Cross! I just didn't catch onto that one. Makes sense now. Thanks.

[Tzeentch]

Please, for the love of all that is holy give page references when possible. Tracking down single mentions of an agency in 160 page sourcebooks is nontrivial.

Tir Tairngire
Information Secretariat
SONA p. 146 "Currently [Prince Jonathan] Reed is "Operations Director" of the shadowy Information Secretariat and reports directly to the High Prince on all internal security matters."

SONA p. 150 "Oh yeah, the Information Secretariat - the Tir secret police - is separate from the Peace Force, though they both share info and answer to the High Prince."

[Nath]

Oh yeah, sorry, I was throwing some info without bothering moving my book rom my bedroom to the computer. To list what I consider to be the best source for each:
In Shadows of North America, ERLA, DSI, DIA and NRO are page 65 (CIA and NSA too, but there's only one occurence listed, there are other one, like Coe Bowling profile for the CIA, that are more informative), DDI is page 66, Sioux OMI is page 129. The AISE is pages 25-26 of Target: Awakened Lands. Yamatetsu Naval Intelligence's name appears page 92 of Target: Wastelands. Mossad is page 38 of Dragons of the Sixth World. Seraphim are page 57 of Corporate Download, Interpol page 98, MIFD page 101. I don't have the Germany SB but IIRC I can tell you both BIS and Argus are on the left page at the beginning of a chapter.

Considering the nature of the Aleph Society chapter in Threats 2 (pages 37 and following), the Awakened Control Center can probably qualify as a specialized intelligence services. Back on Corporate Download, I reread the description of the ACS (Aztechnology Corporate Security) page 48 to 50. It says on page 50 under the black ops entry that the ACS conduct some with an offensive aim (helping takeover and acquisitions), not just corporate security. It's not clearly said that the internal security/counter-intelligence work is the duty of the ACS, but globally it makes me say the ACS is an intelligence service (a profile similar to the KGB, guards as well as spies rolled in a single organization).

Consular operations might just be a term to talk about operations conduced under the cover of the UCAS embassy (nothing really new). That's a possible interpretation.

The US Secret Service is considered IRL as an intelligence service as it is a member of the "Intelligence Community" (I guess the IC, headed by the DCI, is a bit less relevant since the creation of the Dpt of Home Security). The FBI and DEA are in too (but not the ATF), as well as a some analysis services attached to the State Department and the Departments of Transport and Energy.

[Rev]

The Tir Na Nog sourcebook had lots of info on the security apparatus for that country, and may have mentioned those from other nearby nations.

Don't have the book anymore though and I can't remember much of it. :?

Two police organizations and a secret police type one called the "reac fulliach"... or something like that.

[Kanada Ten]

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

[Nath]

I stand corrected, the DEA is not part of the Intelligence Community. For the USSS I checked and it's a bit more complicated: point 1.10(d) Executive Order 12333 establish as a duty of the Dpt of Treasury duty for the IC to "conduct, through the United States Secret Service, activities to determine the existence and capability of surveillance equipment being used against" the people under its protection. So it put the USSS in charge of counter-intelligence when somebody taps the President phone line or something alike, but not when a mole infiltrates the staff... However "No information shall be acquired intentionally through such activities except to protect against such surveillance" which finally disqualify the USSS for the title of "intelligence agency".

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

BTW, wasn't Espectro, the supposed narrator of the Aztlan SB connected through hearsay and conjecture to Aztechnology Intelligence as a possible survivor of a major purge at the top that occured just before the time Aztlan is set in?

[Raygun]

Alright. Making progress. Thanks guys.

Okay. I need page references and HQ locations for the CFS Intelligence Service, HQ locations for all CAS intel services (speculation if that info isn't available), page references and HQ location for BIS, page references and HQ location for the Japanese Intelligence Agency (is that the actual name of the agency, or just a general acknowledgement of a Japanese intel service?)

I need page references and a name for Mitsuhama's intel agency, page references and HQ location for Argus (MET2000).

Can someone with a copy of Tir Na Nog verify what Rev is talking about?

Considering that just about every bit of information we get from the books comes through Shadowland (within plotline), can we consider Shadowland a free market intel agency?

[Nath]

[Nath]

[FlakJacket]

Note that this is a completely non-canon agency but that I think we've just about covered the canon ones so I'll throw it up. Plus I just enjoyed using it. :)

Directorate General of Intelligence, DGI
Headquarters: Havana, Cuba

Provides both internal surveillance and counter-intelligence and handles foreign intelligence gathering as well. Rather oddly, seems they also deal with military intelligence as well, although whether this is instead of/as well as a military agency I'm not sure. Also has the duties to help maintain capabilities for covert operations.

They are also heavily involved in the drugs war. They'll happily assist groups with the importation of drugs into the US whilst cracking down harshly on drugs internally. Has strong ties with the KGB/current day incarnations due to past governmental ties and that IIRC, the KGB shipped out some members to help set up and train the first core members.

They used to be considered a very good agency, and were well respected by the rest of what I'd consider to be the first-tier agencies. During the 60's and 70's they apparently managed to uncover and turn every single agent the US had in the country. About five-six years ago though there was some sort of major drugs scandal and several very senior people were shuffled out and the place reorganised. During the reorganisation though things went to pot a little and a number of operations tanked. It's currently being run by a military officials.

And now a few 2060's musings. :) Since Cuba is basically a dictatorship with the trappings of Communism, I figure these guys will still be around. Although their main enemy is Aztlan now since they'd like to knock over the Carib League that Cuba is one of the major members of. Cuba also has its own navy that butts heads with the Azzies.

So I figure they'd be running cash, munitions and material to the Yucatan rebels and anyone else that makes big problems for Aztlan. Wouldn't be surprised at them sending military training teams either. Or their helping run chips and drugs into north Aztlan-proper just to screw with them.

The Russians used to/still do but are closing a SIGINT/ELINT base at Lourdes in Cuba. Since they're still a dictatorship/Communist in the '60s I can't see them closing down a base situated where they can spy on the CAS, UCAS, some of the NAN, rest of the League and Aztlan. Just too handy to give up so I could see them continue to pay the rent and/or help subsidise Cuba's sugar sales.

[Raygun]

[Dr Komuso]

Fairly recently I was looking over Shadows of North America, and I happened to notice the (previously unmentioned), UCAS paranoia about magic and magical threats in general. This got me thinking.... theres the Drug Enforcement Agency, and the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms), both of which address specific threats of the American/UCAS public, and both of which apparently still exist in 2063. If they've addressed this threat with specific intelligence/enforcement agencies, why not magic?

Now, a little backstory: My campaign revolves around a large group of shadowrunners, a sort of Runner Organization, who have had favorable relationships with the UCAS government. They've also had extensive contact/conflict with the various threats presented in both Threats sourcebooks (Winternight, the Black Lodge, and the conspiracy presented in "One Nation Under God", most notably), not to mention many of my own devising. As such, I decided that when the UCAS decided to create this Awakened World Task Force, designed to investigate and eliminate the various threats unique to the Sixth World, they tapped my players for their extensive knowledge of these threats.

So, about a half year later, we've crafted what amounts to practically a new campaign, blending The X-Files and The Ultimates. The players are advisors and sometimes operatives for the AWTF, and though they don't know it, will soon be asked to become perminant members of the force. And man oh man... it's a blast.

Just my two cents on an intelligence/government campaign :)

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

Yeah, like I said... They are both clearly in FDC. North Virginia has received virtually no references and I know of no map, even 3d ed. that actually has it on the map. SONA might have addressed it, but the last reference before that was Just Compensation. The CAS was trying to annex it, and N.Va. didn't seem too keen to stay with the UCAS. Of course, the governor's plane crashed at the end of the novel.

Seeing as though Cuba is basically run by the corps, I would asume any intelligence agency is basically an extension of the corps. With S-K basically owning their military (specifically, the Navy) I would assume S-K's running most Intel ops, although it's assured that Ares (which controls Gitmo in all but name) is running its own intelligence operations on the island as well.

The book says "Japanese Intelligence Agency." Make of it as you will.

The MCT reference is most clear in the Maximillion's entry, but it doesn't explain what it is other than Mitsuhama intelligence.

Komuso: Well, like I (think I) said earlier... The ATF had "& Magic" (As opposed to the IRL "& Explosives" that was added in May) added to it, and the FBI has an entire Division of Paranormal Investigations. The ATF&M would investigate the more economic aspects of the magic industry, and is probably the de facto federal licensing agency for Talismongers (Which reminds me of a friend's experience with ATF agents "inspecting" the winery he works at. They hate doing it more than you can imagine. But now that the ATF has been split in two, Special Agents no longer, AFAIK, get the pleasure). The FBI... Well, the FBI is probably just like the FBI today... Only more arrogant. But these are FLEAs, and thus unimportant here.

[Jon Szeto]

In the notes I supplied for the map for SoNA, this is what I suggested for the North Virginia border:

The Virginia-North Virginia (UCAS) border runs from Harrisonburg (Rockingham County), down through Lake Anna (halfway between Fredricksburg and Richmond), and then shoots east until it hits the Rappahannock River, which it follows down to the Atlantic. If possible, follow the contours of the county borders; the counties on the UCAS (north) side of the border are, from west to east, Rockingham, Greene, Orange, Spotsylvania, Caroline, Essex, Richmond County (not the city!), and Lancaster.

Fredericksburg is the state capital of North Virginia. Also note that Quantico USMC Reservation (halfway between Fredericksburg and DC) also lies in N. Virginia.

IMO, of course.

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

Sweet.

Jon, are there any other facts or considerations that you would like to mention re: this project?

[Velocity]

[Just Pete]

Another hi-jack, but only peripherally....

Raygun, the link to Shadowrun & Firearms in Dumpshock Matrix ( http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/ ) goes to the Intelligencer, and there's no apparant link to the intended site (which I did find at http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/firearms/. )

I wasn't sure where to post this, but figured you'd definitely see it here....

[Synner]

There are a couple of independent intelligence agencies (meaning they provide Intelligence services for third parties who can't afford their own intel divisions) around in the SR universe aside from MET2000's Argus, at least a couple are mentioned in DotSW.

[Raygun]

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]