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 Sep 26 2005, 05:56 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 18-September 05 Member No.: 7,756  |
What you're describing is someone that has the appropriate skill. In game terms, you're using your Hacking skill plus your Edit program (which would be Textpad, BBedit, or whatever) instead of using Computer plus Edit program (which would be the CrapHTMLWeaver editor). Neither one uses your Logic attribute. |
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Sep 27 2005, 01:32 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
I'd have to agree.
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Sep 27 2005, 12:57 PM
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#353
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
For Skill+Program tests that you default on, and have neither the skill nor the software, I'd go with System -2 dice.
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Sep 27 2005, 01:06 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Whereas I would just say no. No skill + no program = no chance. |
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Sep 27 2005, 02:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
That's a good point. If neither you nor your computer possess the ability to do something, then how are you doing it?
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Sep 27 2005, 04:14 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
some people claim they can wing it on logic alone...
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Sep 27 2005, 07:48 PM
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#357
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Is there any reason to have above a rating 1 command program? I see no test involving the command program, only that you have it.
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Sep 27 2005, 07:51 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
I found it.... dern search funtion...
Pg 220 if anyone is interested. Command + Skill for having a drone work a task. So unless you plan on telepressence drones, Command 1 will do okay. |
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Sep 28 2005, 11:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 806 |
I often have a hard time grasping computer concepts, so there'll be lots of questions, but these will suffice for now:
Do all devices tied to a node's subscription list show up as icons in that node? Is there any kinds of restrictions on a "passive search" (last part of P. 217), or can you just let the browse utility scan for every single icon in the whole node given enough time? When you are in combat in multiple nodes, does anything (except black IC) hinder you from just "closing the window" on one of those nodes? Would this remove you from the opponents in that particular node? Oh, and the description of inspecting targets running Stealth confuse me: The geist is that you do an active examnation of an icon... so if running Stealth it isn't "invisible", just not easily identified? |
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Sep 28 2005, 11:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 806 |
Sure, but I'd say that on the whole SAC is a bit too limited in it's scope: Read the GitS 2 Man Machine Interface comic instead (although I admit it went over my head on several occasions), and disregard the "consciousness transfer" concept. One of my fave scenes is when a cop have trouble with her cyberarm since she got conflicting drivers installed :D. |
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Sep 28 2005, 12:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,896 |
Nothing other than Black IC will stop you from logging off (closing the window) a node. (pg220) When you log off you are gone from that node.
Actually, is it simply being Black IC that allows the connection to be jammed open on a successful attack? Does the Black Hammer utility (or some other utility) do that as a side effect? I don't remember reading any specific rules on that other than "Black IC has this nifty ability". Yes, Stealth makes you harder to see, but not completely invisible. From the book: "as 'invisible' as possible to other system processes". According to pg217/218 it says the Analyse program will keep running until you tell it to stop. |
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Sep 28 2005, 12:56 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Blackhammer and it's stun brotherare what give IC that power in SR4.
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Sep 28 2005, 01:03 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,896 |
Thanks, Nikoli, you're right. Looked a little closer at the program definition for Black Hammer and noticed the reference to pg 230 (technically the useful stuff is on 231).
A little frustrating that they don't mention that at all in the program description. :( |
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Sep 28 2005, 01:05 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
That's okay, just waittill you've designed a node for your party hacker to attack and forgot to give the IC attack instead of just blackhammer and they use an agent to combat it.
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Sep 28 2005, 01:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,896 |
Nice. I hadn't thought of that either. Good point to keep in mind. :)
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Sep 28 2005, 03:22 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
BRILLIANT!!! :-) |
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Sep 29 2005, 06:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
Several sprites have the complex form "Transfer" -- yet this isn't a program, nor a specific complex form as far as I can see. What is this mysterious (yet dull sounding) power?
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Sep 29 2005, 12:57 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Probably edit as that handles file moving.
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Sep 30 2005, 04:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
That seems unlikely, as those sprites have edit in addition to transfer. Also, why does decompiling require software? With the exception of that one task, technomancers do not need any "traditional" understanding of software or hardware -- resonance is used instead in other similar tests. As it represents, I think, an intuitive ability to interact with and create software, it would make sense here too. |
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Oct 4 2005, 03:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 4-August 02 Member No.: 3,064 |
It doesn't. Decompiling rolls Resonance + Decompiling, not Software + Decompiling - you are reading from an old version of the text.
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Oct 4 2005, 03:45 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 11-September 04 From: GA Member No.: 6,651 |
I'm using FPR26000_SR4acr5.pdf and mine says Software+Decompiling as well. FPR26000_SR4acr5.pdf is the latest from Battlecorps, so where is this more-up-to-date version? :-( |
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Oct 4 2005, 03:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,896 |
Maybe it's a good candidate for errata?
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Oct 5 2005, 08:23 PM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Does a skinlink have infinite bandwidth? Can it also transmit power?
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Oct 5 2005, 08:28 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
In SR4, the basic assumption is infinite bandwidth and storage.
Using your body's EM field as power cord replacement seems... unhealthy, though. ;) |
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Oct 6 2005, 12:24 AM
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Shadowrun Setting Nerd Group: Banned Posts: 3,632 Joined: 28-June 05 From: Pissing on pedestrians from my electronic ivory tower. Member No.: 7,473 |
Using it as a USB cord seems pretty silly, too, though. Anyway, I find that amusing since the current RL tech has a pretty low bandwidth. Assuming infinite bandwidth is really optimistic. And since we're going to make pretty wild-ass assumptions, I don't see how assuming it can also transmit power the way a USB cord can is any more of a stretch.
Besides, it's not powering a house. It'd be, at best, most common in powering peripherals like your trode rig. |
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