 Shadowrun 4 Errata, Post errors you've noticed here, please |
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 Oct 24 2005, 03:38 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 1-July 02 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,921  |
I don't care if Horizon is in Los Angeles. It is most certainly, however, not in California Free State. |
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Oct 24 2005, 06:26 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
The point being that when the PCC supposedly conquered Los Angeles, its population did not grow. Los Angeles has over 16 million people in it. It's one of the 10 largest metropolitan areas on the planet. You can't conquer that region without having your population change noticeably. That would show up in the population dynamics of even modern day China or India. The entire PCC has less people than just that metroplex. Therefore, while there has certainly been something badly in need of errata, the text that Los Angeles is in Cal Free is quite possibly not it. The economic and population figures that have been handed out ever since the entire storyline began simply do not reflect that storyline ever having taken place - which leads me to believe that rumours of PCC involvement in LA are grossly exagerated. -Frank |
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Oct 30 2005, 02:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 565 Joined: 7-January 04 Member No.: 5,965 |
p.84, top right. theres an example of how you find essence.
the problem is, they claim 2.5 + .75 = 2.75 the correct way would be Either =3.25 Or 2.0 cyberware. On p. 303, bottom right, theres a line about 'exception of cultured', refering to p. 339 where the implied information does not exist. From context, we can conclude that while everything else is listed as 'standard', cultured bioware is listed at the alpha minimum. |
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Oct 30 2005, 02:50 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Um... the example is that after losing 2.5 and .75 you have 2.75 left. You start with 6. The example is spot on. -Frank |
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Nov 7 2005, 01:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
The lightning bolt spell has the following characteristics:
It also has the following text in the description:
And wouldn't you know it, but page 154 contradicts the first line:
These lines contradict each other. It isn't clear if Lightning bolt is stun or physical damage. |
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Nov 9 2005, 05:39 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 11-October 05 Member No.: 7,831 |
both, actually. the spell does physical damage, and it also does electrical damage. electrical damage is treated like stun, but has a chance to knock a target out.
just like tasers or stick-n-shocks. its a little unclear, but i think its accurate. |
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Nov 9 2005, 07:03 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 715 Joined: 4-September 05 From: Metaplane GEPLK136 (The one with the lizards. You remember the lizards, don't you?) Member No.: 7,684 |
Tasers and Stick-n-Shock clearly do Stun Damage, not Physical. Neither list Physical damage anywhere in their codes. So I'm not sure at all what you're saying? |
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Nov 9 2005, 01:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 112 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,896 |
It sounds like he's saying that it should do physical and in addiition also have the electrical effect of stun and chance of knockout.
Seems over-powered to me. |
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Nov 11 2005, 04:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 565 Joined: 7-January 04 Member No.: 5,965 |
skillwires are availible up to rating 5
Activesofts are availible up to rating 4. Is this a typo, or is the only advantage of the rating 5 skillwires that they can run 2 more activesofts at the same time? |
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Nov 11 2005, 01:43 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,486 Joined: 17-March 05 From: Michigan Member No.: 7,180 |
Also, that when you later upgrade your skillsoft, your skillwires can handle it - without having to go "back under the knife". Commlink's are capped at response 5, but you can get System 6 programs - but when you run them, they run as rating 5 (due to the response)... again, the advatage is that when you upgrade yoru response, your OS will run at it's real rating. |
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Nov 11 2005, 05:03 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
Well, that and you can use a reality filter to boost your response to 6 at chargen.
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Nov 11 2005, 07:36 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
What are you upgrading to? As Teulisch points out, the highest rating activesoft described by the book is Rating 4. There is no upgrading to Rating 5 later, because there is no Rating 5. (Note that Skillsofts do not appear on the Coding Software Table, so it's also not possible to up the rating yourself). While it's possible that Rating 5 activesofts might appear in an expansion, it'd earn the prize for lamest thing to be held out of the core rulebook so that it could be later included in an expansion ever in the history of SR. |
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Nov 11 2005, 07:47 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,486 Joined: 17-March 05 From: Michigan Member No.: 7,180 |
:eek: OMG, I totally missed that. :-) Well, nevermind that idea then. I hadn't looked hard at the activesoft stuff (since its always seemed too expensive to be worth it, IMO) - I just thought he ment activesofts of 4 because of availability or something... |
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Nov 11 2005, 09:47 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
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Folks, Skillwires support Ratingx2 Points of SkillSofts total - so getting 5 means you are able to run more at a higher Rating at the same time. |
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Nov 12 2005, 12:07 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 11-October 05 Member No.: 7,831 |
why? tasers do stun plus electrical. why shouldnt lightening do physical plus electrical? there's slim enough reason to eat drain for physical manipulation magic, as it is. |
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Nov 12 2005, 01:22 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Because all other sources of electrical damage do Stun. Why should the Lightning Bolt spell differ?
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Nov 12 2005, 08:02 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 12-November 05 Member No.: 7,952 |
My brain just popped! Ignore.
That lightning bolt definitely needs an errata on its damage. |
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Nov 14 2005, 05:59 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Well, now there is a German Errata.
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Nov 14 2005, 09:36 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 11-October 05 Member No.: 7,831 |
youre right. arc welders only stun steel, and lightening only stuns oak trees. |
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Nov 14 2005, 09:50 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,086 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 364 |
And the damage codes for arc welders and weather generated lightning are on what page again? |
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Nov 14 2005, 11:07 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
well, since you asked...
don't know where the rules for weather generated lightning bolts are, but i should point out that *any* exception to the electric damage rule indicates that it is possible for the spell to do physical damage.
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Nov 15 2005, 12:29 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I still don't see any exception.
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Nov 15 2005, 05:31 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,651 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 7,773 |
Old discussion, and I see some names here that have already been in the other threads on this.
Conceptually speaking, it's possible that Lightning spells could do either Stun or Physical. Tazer effects use electricity to do Stun damage. Arc welders and Momma Nature's lightning do Physical damage (since they both damage inanimate objects). Realistically speaking, high voltage tazes you and high amperage fries you (technically it's the heat from the ohms since humans are poor conductors). The two are not mutually exclusive from a physics standpoint, and in fact each zap contains elements of both. So what those two paragraphs above mean is that any arguments based off of the properties of real-world electricity just won't decide anything constructive. Shadowrun pigeonholes all damage into one of two arbitrary types and we need to know which flavor they decided that this spell uses. So then we can turn to drain code analysis. Lightning Bolt has the same drain code as Flamethrower & Acid Stream while doing the same damage; it just uses a different element type. Historically, spells that do Stun damage have a lesser drain code (circumstantially supported by Stun Bolt versus Mana Bolt), but since Lightning Bolt has the same damage code as its sibling spells we might assume that it too does Physical damage. The flipside of that is the fact that electrical attacks have a way cool (and quantifiable) secondary effect compared to fire, cold, and acid. We can imagine that possibly the developers intended to give a Stun-damage Lightning Bolt a higher drain code because of that effect, but this is more of a "gut feeling" supposition than anything we can actually prove. Attempting to dismiss any guesswork leaves us with the RAW saying that electrical attacks are all Stun, while the Lightning Bolt damage code says it does Physical. Since both cannot be true, all we have is guesswork until an errata tells us otherwise. |
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Nov 19 2005, 04:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 21-August 05 Member No.: 7,586 |
p.314
Fragmentation Rocket --> availability 16F should be 12F since the 'weapons specialist' sample char has one. |
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Nov 19 2005, 07:37 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
i'm pretty sure that's an example of the character itself having been done wrong (which, for the record, tends to be the case with all the sample characters. i wonder if they made the characters before the rules were finalised or something... )
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