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...Wow, you entirely missed what I said, didn't you? I said that I would rather there be dead rapists and looters than rape victims and burned-out/emptied stores. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 05 Member No.: 7,093 ![]() |
Read your own statement again, Blacken. Former means 'first'. You said rape victims and burned out/cleanded out stores first, and dead rapists and looters second (latter).
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 133 Joined: 10-August 05 Member No.: 7,548 ![]() |
Holy Jesus. You're right; I'm an idiot. I'm having a similar discussion with IRL friends on AIM and I said it in reverse there and mixed myself up.
/me beats his face off the wall. Mea culpa, mea culpa. Lemme go fix that. |
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 ![]() |
Such short memories. Such gunho reactions ended up getting a [increasingly innocent looking] Brazilian shot on the London Underground what, a month ago? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 5,029 ![]() |
Completely 100% innocent, actually. Work visa in order, travel papers up to date, no criminal record, sent money home to support aging parents. Absolutely zero links to anything more serious than a parking ticket. Jean Charles de Menezes was totally innocent. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 ![]() |
Right. Because people who are totally innocent always run from the cops. God knows I do it all the time. I mean, it makes sense to feel from law enforcement when you've done nothing wrong. It's not like it will make you look guilty or anything.
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 78 Joined: 1-October 03 Member No.: 5,668 ![]() |
People who are scared run, not just the guilty.
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 5-June 03 Member No.: 4,689 ![]() |
de Menezes didn't run from the police. Which isn't to say that in a stressful situation, I might not have seen it differently, had I been in the shoes of the police.
Bringing in the military is not the same thing as martial law. So long as the military serves under civilian command (technically "peace officers"), martial law does not exist. Please, let's leave as much of the outside politics out of this one as possible. There's two other threads for that. |
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Freelance Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 ![]() |
There's a world of difference between a dark-complected guy in a jacket running from cops in a recently-bombed subway, and gangs of thugs with machetes and knives raping women then killing them.
Most of the large groups ("packs") that are taking part in the barbaric actions (the violence, the extreme looting, etc), are known gang members of some of New Orleans' largest criminal organizations, with their numbers recently doubled/trebled by released prisoners. You aren't going to mistake them for an old woman stealing tylenol and canned foods. They are roving packs of predators taking what they want (be it women or material possessions or simply lives). They are what the US Marine Corps was created to fucking stomp on. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 ![]() |
Amen. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 19-August 02 Member No.: 3,139 ![]() |
Hey 'Ronin, it's kinda cool getting the inside scoop from someone on the scene.
Thanks for taking the time. And good luck. |
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 ![]() |
The problem is when they come upon the grey between. :( Grey like a latino that one glance at his photo, even by a pasty white boy like me, is entirely distiquishable from being from anywhere in Asia. Someone who's actions can be mistaken if you assume some key facts that are untrue. Hey, send in the military. Damn straight. But revving up the gungho rhetoric like is not only is possibily going to over hype the Marines. These guys are pros, or at least semi-pros that have been doing a pro's job, and i'd hope that their CO's are going to be able to amplify any orders from above to motivate them. But it will also do severe damage to any attempt at public relations if someone that likely shouldn't get shot does. P.S. The people that are vaguely smart [truely dangerous] have likely been watching getting ready to melt like butter into the background once a full fledged, mobile force shows up. You think they are going to try hold territory when platoons of AR toting soilders trained to work/fight in these kinds of conditions start rolling into town in force? |
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 ![]() |
Semper Fi. Those people who prey on the weak and the helpless are exactly the kind of people who need to get a bullet to the brain pan. Defending the weak and the helpless is what this country is about. And if I need to buy a frickin SKS and stockpile 2000 rounds of ammo to do it I should be allowed to. How long did it take civilization to break down? 1 day? 2 on the outside? It will be another two weeks before it is restored. I feel for the people who are trapped their with the lunatics. I only wish they ALL had guns to defend themselves. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 ![]() |
RE Eldritch:
I'm just glad I can help. The rumor-mill is full-bore, and I think people need to know what is REALLY going on down here. I can't be everywhere at once, but I figured this board is a good place to start. RE Blakkie: I've gotten word that the troops arriving in New Orleans are gonna basically be under civil police command. It seems like the people in charge, as upset as they may be over what is happening, are trying to be as delicate as possible. I don't think there will be any "shoot looters on site" orders, but I guarantee that any one who the run into that is armed will likely get only one change to comply. Also, if you are not sure of the scope of the destruction in downtown New Orleans, the roaming gangs likely haven't been watching anything, or even listening to the radio due to the lack of power and pretty much all other resources in the area. |
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Dumpshock Widow aka Mrs Fisty ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next to Him Member No.: 6,929 ![]() |
Hey there... I've been checking out this thread and everyday it seems there's something else on the news that just about tears my heart out. I know it's not much but if there's someone down there or if you know of someone down there that can recieve packages and needs help (Especially if they have children.. I have three myself and I want to do something for them...) I would like to send what they need. Formula, diapers, water, clothes, non-perishables.. etc. If you know of someone that could use this or if you know of somewhere else I could post this, please let myself or Fist3.0 (my husband) know. We'll do whatever we can.
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 ![]() |
Yeah, Lt. General Honore, who is in charge of the military effort, called the N.O. Chief of Police his "battle commander", so it sounds like the civilan police are ultimately in charge. And the word from the reporters on site at the Convention Center has been clear that Lt. General Honore has been moving up and down the line of National Guard telling them to shoulder their weapons, that there will be no firing, and that it is a humanitarian relief effort, not Iraq. |
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Freelance Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 ![]() |
Fuck public relations. People need to stop fucking shooting at support choppers, people need to not mob-hump trucks with supplies, people need to not shoot at National Guardsmen and cops and EMTs and firefighters. People need to not burn down their city, rape and murder young girls at knifepoint, and go apeshit fucking nuts because a nasty storm rolled through. Send amphibious carriers through first. They'll be able to move however/wherever is needed. Keep 'em closed up tight, or let 'em stay open but be bristling with unshaven Marines carrying loaded weapons with orders only to shoot if fired upon. Have a psychological operations specialist (or just a gunny) aboard each one, with a megaphone (or just a gunny voice), stating loudly and clearly over and over again that in one hours' time they will come back, and anyone on the streets and impeding the progress of emergency vehicles through action, inaction, implied threat, gunfire, or even just screaming obscenities will get bloodied up by the Corp like Tina Turner by Ike. One hour later, roll in with the supplies that need to get to wherever they need to get to, the choppers for airlifting those that need it, the water trucks, the empty trucks for carrying people out of their, and the boy scout troops to give people MREs, a bottle of gatorade, and help them pitch a fucking tent. If people -- people as warned an hour previously -- impede this progress, shoot them like you would any other terrorist. Boom. Problem solved. And, yes. The "truly dangerous" ones will melt away when the men in green show up. That's fine. I'd prefer they stick around and get their barbaric asses killed, but if they just leave -- fine. They won't hold the territory any more -- fine. They're not in the fucking way any more, are they? So the job still gets done. That's what counts. |
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 ![]() |
Ya, i hope. I just find it disturbing that that is coming from a Gov...and people are supporting it. It was my -exact- first reaction when the fellow was shot in London, even though the first "eye witness" stuff coming out said it was righteous, and a mayor was spouting the similar gungho rhetoric. Now where she'll sit in the effective chain of command is not apparent. But if something goes wrong there is what people will see, and it might not all be perception.
I mean watching in a somewhat passive sense, and i was under the impression that cell coverage is still operating. If you have a car charger for your phone, and there are still some cars that are electrically functioning, they will have communications. I also assumed that the Marines aren't going to come in all sneaky like. If they are there to restore order (as opposed to trying to catch people in the act) they are going to come in with a flury. Making big noise to let people, good and bad, know that the big dog is back and order WILL be restored. Or is that a bad assumption on my part? |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 ![]() |
I makes me smile to see so many people so willing to help during this crisis. Plan B, the best thing you and your husband can do is contact the Red Cross. Honestly, the most needed donation right now is money. Sending supplies is a bad idea because they keep getting all different kinds of items that they have to sort, check, and stage. With cash, they can get supplies in bulk, which will arrive when and where they need them to be. If you want to give to any organization more specific, shoot me an e-mail and I will help you find what you are looking for. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 ![]() |
Sorry bro, but it's worse than you think. Cell coverage is spotty at best, and only about 30% of calls are getting through, and that's here in Baton Rouge where we still have most of our towers. In and around NO, cell coverage is borderline non-existant...and even if you get a signal, you are not likely to be able to make any calls due to network congestion. We (my company) are at the point where we have to use land lines for almost everything because of the unreliablity of cells. |
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 29-April 03 Member No.: 4,523 ![]() |
Is territory what the bandits (let's stop using "looter") want? The "thunder run" concept worked initially in Somalia and Iraq, but ran into troubles later. Are we going to treat the bandits like an urban insurgency? It might be hyperbole or the anger talking, but since we don't shoot people in Afghanistan or Iraq for screaming obscenities at troops (do we?), why would we treat US citizens worse? Or is that the psyops? [smartass] So if I needed assistance, all I would need to do is shoot at a chopper, hide in my house, and wait one hour after the Bradleys roll to get food, water, shelter, and possible rescue? Wouldn't alot of people in NO find that a fantastic deal? [/smartass] |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 ![]() |
That is a reasonable assumption, but that sort of show of force (emphasis on show) may also be unlikely due to pr concerns. It is notable that a large amount of Bush's constituencency is affected and a larger amount will be watching closely; he and his administration may step a bit lighter than they would otherwise. Moreover, there may not be manpower left for that sort of thing; a very sizable portion of our military is currently sandier. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,174 Joined: 13-May 04 From: UCAS Member No.: 6,327 ![]() |
Back on 9/11, I had a heck of a time using my cell that day to contact my family/friends. I worked less than a mile from the Pentagon at the time, so I can only imagine the situation in NO. Even with all the cell towers in working order there was such a congestion. I wonder how many towers are working in NO. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Raleigh, NC Member No.: 5,729 ![]() |
Just got an update. Here in Baton Rouge, Cingular is reporting 927 of their GSM/GPRS towers are completely non-functional. I don't have a clue what sort of % that is of their overall infrastructure, or how many other carriers' towers make be down.
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 ![]() |
I just got this email from the commissioners office (where I work) I rolled into my bosses office and said "Send me". The funny thing is I was talking to my wife last night and I just felt this overwhelming compulsion to go there and help.
I guess I got my chance. Any of you that work for state or federal agencies may get something similar, I encourage you all to do what you can. |
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